your definition of 'stillness'

[cacian]

Unchanging.

well one needs unstillness in order to achieve stillness.

[blazeofglory]

Stillness is not necessarily an opposite of noise. Happiness is not the absence of torment. This is a crude idea. You must go beyond these peripherals. Stillness is a state that can be experienced when one can go beyond the boundary of pleasures and pains. This is something that can be experienced when you can rise over and above worldly propensities. This is a spiritual state and wordiness cannot disclose the secret of the spiritual experience of stillness

[slipee]

well one needs unstillness in order to achieve stillness.

We need unstillness for comparison, and of course to be able to observe the state of something, we ouselves have to be in a state of unstillness.
But even then, stillness itself has to last for eternity, and everything we perceive as still, is a mimic if it ever moves.

Pure stillness I suppose could never ever move or be moved in any way, inclusive of its environment moving, otherwise it moves relative to that environment.
Technically with the theory of relativity, nothing is still, even if on a molecular level it ceased to vibrate on the frequency of physical form, it would still be moving with the universe.

Conceptually, in my opinion, if it does not, will not, or cannot change, it is still.


This discussion will never achieve stillness.

[cacian]

Stillness is not necessarily an opposite of noise. Happiness is not the absence of torment. This is a crude idea. You must go beyond these peripherals. Stillness is a state that can be experienced when one can go beyond the boundary of pleasures and pains. This is something that can be experienced when you can rise over and above worldly propensities. This is a spiritual state and wordiness cannot disclose the secret of the spiritual experience of stillness

I see.
Stillness for it to be must have shape.