How do you measure truth?
and
Is truth and Intelligence linked?
Truth and Intelligence
How do you measure truth?
and
Is truth and Intelligence linked?
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
I am getting the impression that you have a soft spot for interesting philosophical questions.
Without a definition of "truth" these questions cannot be answered sufficiently - even with a definition this may be difficult or impossible.
Is there something like an absolute truth which remains unrecognizable, then truth is a very relative matter.
For me it seems difficult to "measure" truth. From today's perspective I can say something is true, but tomorrow it can prove wrong - science can find new facts, I can realize that a person is a liar etc.
Is there really a possibility to say, something is more true or less true? Maybe somehow from a historical point of view (when observing the development of some scientific theories), but in the actual moment truth seems to be absolute (even when it's a relative matter). (I am afraid, this is getting confusing completely independent of my English skills).
For the truth itself intelligence doesn't matter, but for the recognition of truth, for the distinction between truth and lie it seems to be necessary.
Also a liar needs to be (at least a bit) intelligent, when he/she wants to lie convincingly.
So far just a few points from my side.
If I succeed in sorting my thoughts I will add a more structured post later.
Last edited by loe; 01-18-2012 at 09:56 AM.
You get a ruler, Measure it, and start jumping "I got it, I got it, I got it!"Originally Posted by cacian
Certainly, it is dificuly to speak of truth as something we can grasp thoroughly, if we start accepting that there is something out there, that determines what we are, what we feel, what we makes us talk about this, and what we can identify as truth, referring to that thing as reality, well it seems that we only have access to portions of that reality, perhaps impressions or perceptions, but not absolute apprehension of that thing.
Yes, the portions are truths that might be easily grasped by individuals who might or might not be able to communicate them, but "the truth" is always a lie.
Last edited by cafolini; 01-25-2012 at 10:12 AM.
My view is that one can be intelligent without having to hold opinions which are true, since intelligence is mostly the level of complexity your thoughts have, and not their actual ties to reality. Of course given enough time it can be supposed that an intelligent person will either form true views, or be destroyed from his endless and galloping mistakes.
You can measure truths. each through experience. But truth in general cannot be measured. It's a museum piece in the system of confusions we call philosophy.
Intelligence is anywhere. It's intrinsic to life. It's linked to anything biological.
Truth cannot be measured.
The quality of truth is not strain'd; it droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven. (Paraphrased from someone well known.)
A proposition is either true or not true. This is a tautology since a proposition is a statement that is either true or untrue. A statement is a sentence or sequence of sentences that purports to be a proposition. A self-referential statement may be neither true nor false. e.g. "This statement is not a proposition."
Truth, in this sense, is a psycho-philosophical (or "psychosophical") concept. It describes way in which "intelligent" thought processes data. Intelligence is another psychosophical concept. Neither have any "meaning" standing on their own. This is the linkage between intelligence and truth.
A well defined statement...to be exact. For a statement that is not well defined could mean two different things depending how one defines the words within the statement.
Les Miserables,
Volume 1, Fifth Book, Chapter 3
Remember this, my friends: there are no such things as bad plants or bad men. There are only bad cultivators.
No it isn't. Isn't truth reality?
would you equal truth as black and white, meaning it is not as straight forward as one may think?
it may never try
but when it does it sigh
it is just that
good
it fly
Of course it is reality. There is always an idiotic part to reality. It is important not to let it take over.
Just wondering whether "truth" remains unchanging.
Need to ponder upon this further.
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
~
It does not. Anything changes. But "the truth" has tried the hardest not to change with abundant rationalizations. Every bit of progress has historically been a battle against "the truth." And "the truth" has always tried to stop what it always misinterpreted in indifference as chaotic.
Last edited by cafolini; 02-24-2012 at 04:46 PM.
Well I try not to let reality take over too much, then I would be depressed. That's why I love reading, preferably fiction set in different time periods.
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