Dragging politics into things is what Emil does.
Dragging politics into things is what Emil does.
It's especially annoying to get that kind of judgmental commentary from someone from another country. They don't even live here. How do they know what our issues are and which politicians are not right for the job.
To get back on topic I wonder if he's got Obama's tattoo or tattoos of Palin's opponents.
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Ahhh, the nauseating condescention. Never gets old and it's always such an effective tactic of debate.*Originally Posted by Neely
Oh my lord, I don’t know where to start here, it’s really unbelievable! The best bits, in my opinion are:
1 The use of the word “controlled” as in controlled slashing yourself with a razor blade, or controlled burnings etc, brilliant.
Like Pip said, there's a difference between self injury, hurting oneself because of overwhelming psychological stress which in many cases leads to suicide, and sadomasochism, hurting oneself or one’s partner for sexual gratification. That was the distincion I was making in parentheses. An obvious difference, and to imply that they're the same thing as you've been doing is offensive to both people with psychological illnesses and people who just-so-happen to have a sadomasochism fetish which, by the way, isn't even obscure anymore. Come on, this has to be willful ignorance, right?
Tell me why, because that's what you do? Sorry, human morality doesn't operate with the slogan "What Would Neely Do?" in mind. You don't know best. You're just some random middle-aged man living in England. What's "normal" for you means absolutely nothing to anybody who isn't you, and THAT'S what I can't believe you haven't realized yet.
Because it makes more sense and is also reflected in almost all countries' laws and social norms including your own? There's nothing in the law to reflect that there's something abnormal, wrong or "crazy" about sadomasochism, nor should there be. Nor is sadomasochims particularly frowned upon by popular society or the media, everyone's aware of it and NO ONE cares (except religious people sometimes, but that's normal). Why should consentual adults not be allowed to do what they want in there own bedrooms without you (metaphorically) spitting on them? Would you like people to start spitting on you for the way you live your personal life? Maybe I'll start, I've certainly gotten my fair share of the same treatment from you this month.
I did, just there. See? You quoted it. I was trying to find the reason for you being such a condescending douche. It can't be because you're trying to make friends, so it must be because you're trying to change other people to suit you. Following that train of thought I pointed out that you can't.
Whiiiich iiiis looking down on people. Here, I'll demonstrate:
You drink? Are you serious? What psychotic spark in your little brain would inspire you to engage in purposely drinking poison for the sake of a little giddyness and blurred vision? That's sick, what's wrong with you? Your body is obviously telling you that it doesn't want to be poisoned when you wake up the next morning vomiting. That's absolutely disgusting and patently insane. I'm not looking down on you, though, I'm simply sharing my opinion that you should be engaging in the self-harming recreational behaviour that I engage in because it's better than what you do, on accounta I say so (although the results of my self-harming recreational behaviour are far more detrimental to my health than yours).
Hint: that's exactly what you sound like.
Neither is drinking. Until now, has anyone sounded off on you about how "crazy" you are or tried to make you feel like there's something seriously wrong with you for doing so?
And that "opinion" was condescending and hypocritical, ergo the responses you've gotten. Maybe every time you mention drinking in a random thread, I'll chime in with my opinion.
It's not about insighting people towards self harm, it's about shutting the **** up about something that has nothing to do with you.
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I usually ignore your personal insults towards me and I never retort with my own, because I know that your agression simply stems from the fact that you don't like me (which dates back to, and is a direct result of, the debate in which you argued that everyone should be forced to turn their radios down during the day because you don't like their music, haha!). However, in this case your attempts to belittle my point on the grounds that I'm from from Northern Canada is pretty racist, and your implication that my personality and lifestyle was deviously crafted to make ignorant men respect me (through cheap tricks like being raised by a hunting family in Northern Canada - ooooh, look out! I'm so crafty I've been building my reputation among narrow-minded misogynists as their definition of "masculine" since before I was born!) is very sexist. You're not hurting my feelings (I've heard worse **** against women, rig guys aren't exactly the paragons of politeness), but why do you think it's okay to do that?
You're the one comparing "cutting" ie. self-injury as a coping mechanism for extreme psychological stress with sadomasochistic pleasure-from-pain sexual activity. There's nothing "pathological" about a fetish like sadomasochism. Everyone else on this thread seems clever enough to make that distinction.
Yeah, that was mentioned later by Revolte:
...which is what started this debate. Don't you know how to follow a thread? Besides, directly in the OP:
That sounds like a description of a pleasure-from-pain response to me.Personally I find the same calming I get from being pierced or tattooed in self-mutilation.
*sarcasm, laying it on pretty thick
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I don’t know, it seems that you do this pretty well:I usually ignore your personal insults towards me and I never retort with my own…
It's not about insighting people towards self harm, it's about shutting the **** up about something that has nothing to do with you.What psychotic spark in your little brain…I was trying to find the reason for you being such a condescending douche.Are you blind, or just ignorant?
It’s much better to quit while you’re behind than to descend so low, but never mind. The bottom line is not the details of the thread or topic at hand anyway is it? For you’ll argue that the moon is made of cheese if I said it wasn’t, but rather some pent-up post teen angst directed at some of the more sensible posters on Litnet and your imaginary young Vs old obsession. In that case I’ll remind you of the wolf fable or introduce you to it as you might like it.
You are a version of the younger wolf; rash and know-it-all, this is not something exclusively tied to youth, of course, but is so self-evident in your case nevertheless.There are two wolves on the top of a hill; an old one and a young one. They’re both enjoying the sun, when suddenly they spot two sheep in the valley below. The younger one gets all excited and says to the older wolf "let's run down and get one." The older wolf replies "let's walk down and get them both."
That’s strange I thought someone posted a couple of questions on an open forum and asked for opinions. I didn’t realise that I had stormed into someone’s bedroom and started lecturing them about their sexual habits! What stupidity!It's not about insighting people towards self harm, it's about shutting the **** up about something that has nothing to do with you.
Condescention makes me feisty, but there's nothing personal about any of my attacks. I don't bring up your family or your culture, do I? Nor do I bring up how you were raised, or how you identify yourself in light of your gender. Now that... that's personal.
You're wrong. It has nothing to do with "angst" (which, again, means insecure/hopeless, and I'm an often-described an "over-hopeful" person who is sometimes way too confident). I'll argue against pseudo-morality based infringements of human freedom until I die, and this is just another example of narrow-minded people trying to push their condescending, "father knows best" BS down other people's throats when it is, in reality, absolutely none of their business (which is exactly why you and I got into it in the first place in the last thread).
Also, re. the "Young vs. Old" thing - that's Emil's obsession which he dragged everyone else into (and I suspect it's an awkward hangup of SLG's as well). Papaya, Kcurtis, Paul, Bill, Mick, Schere & Qim are quite a bit older than me, and I really like all of them. Also, Bastable is older than me and I dare say I have a bit of a crush on him (don't tell his wife, though). Your ongoing insistance that I give so much as one tiny little **** about age is a transparent attempt to take credence from everything that I've said based on the idea that I would give any more thought than is necessary to the fact that you were born before I was (which doesn't mean anything, I don't care about how many years either of us has been alive).
That's a description of my personality, which has absolutely nothing to do with my age.
Then maybe you shouldn't have started to lecture on the personal habits and sexual preferences of other people in the first place. You do have the right to do so, and we have the right to express our own contempt at your holier-than-thou hypocritical attitude.
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"Personal note: When I was a little kid my mother told me not to stare into the sun. So once when I was six, I did. At first the brightness was overwhelming, but I had seen that before. I kept looking, forcing myself not to blink, and then the brightness began to dissolve. My pupils shrunk to pinholes and everything came into focus and for a moment I understood. The doctors didn't know if my eyes would ever heal."
-Pi
This has been good.
[QUOTE=JuniperWoolf;1115786].
Also, Bastable is older than me and I dare say I have a bit of a crush on him.
The absolute perfect match, but one made in hell rather than heaven.
This one's heading straight to the Memorable Post's thread.
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Sorry for this off-topic post, but . . .
Emil . . . I'm not trying to be offensive in any way here, but why can you not quote properly? You just hit quote, leave it alone and type under it. I mean, I'm not even sure what you do. You must quote someone, and then after the initial brackets that show the person you quoted's name, retype "[quote]".
[QUOTE=Mutatis-Mutandi;1115801]Sorry for this off-topic post, but . . .
Emil . . . I'm not trying to be offensive in any way here, but why can you not quote properly? You just hit quote, leave it alone and type under it. I mean, I'm not even sure what you do. You must quote someone, and then after the initial brackets that show the person you quoted's name, retype "Yes I know, after all it's self-explanatory, but for some reason it malfunctions on occasion. You can tell by looking back over my posts that sometimes it works and other times it doesn't . Therefore, I have had to work out a way round it and, no, I don't have to type in the '[quote]'.".
Haha I forgot to do it this time.
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
I see. Stupid technology.
*takes bow*
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"Personal note: When I was a little kid my mother told me not to stare into the sun. So once when I was six, I did. At first the brightness was overwhelming, but I had seen that before. I kept looking, forcing myself not to blink, and then the brightness began to dissolve. My pupils shrunk to pinholes and everything came into focus and for a moment I understood. The doctors didn't know if my eyes would ever heal."
-Pi
Apart from the right to give an opinion on an open forum that is. Or rather, one that differs from yours and then you come down on them like a stray rabid poodle!!!I'll argue against pseudo-morality based infringements of human freedom until I die...
I haven't!!!!&&^%^%$£!!!Then maybe you shouldn't have started to lecture on the personal habits and sexual preferences of other people in the first place.
Self-mutilation in my view has been - to many - a coping mechanism with the stresses and in some cases horrors of their existence (e.g. traumatic experiences in the past or continuing in the present) It's a kind of self medication or therapy with a sharp object except it's not nearly as harmful or caustic as the kind of medications they prescribe in hospitals for psychological problems.
The manipulation of the brain and its neurotransmitters is far more pernicious than a scar on the arm. However helpful self harm may be to the individual it's still a dangerous practice and with today's society it causes one to become socially excluded which can only compound the issue at hand and proliferate episodes of self-harm. Therapy would be the only safe and effective alternative.
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Actually I knew you'd fall back on that tired old argument so I specifically tried to head it off:
*sigh* I guess I failed to prevent the old act though. I'll make it more obvious next time.
You did, in your first words on this thread:
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"Personal note: When I was a little kid my mother told me not to stare into the sun. So once when I was six, I did. At first the brightness was overwhelming, but I had seen that before. I kept looking, forcing myself not to blink, and then the brightness began to dissolve. My pupils shrunk to pinholes and everything came into focus and for a moment I understood. The doctors didn't know if my eyes would ever heal."
-Pi
You did, in your first words on this thread:Yes that is me giving my opinion on the thread question, thank you. I'm not lecturing, I'm not talking about people's sexual preferences, I'm giving my opinion in response to Revolte's questions which is what usually happens when someone opens up a thread and asks for opinions. I'm not saying that he or anyone else should agree with what I say, I don't know, I don't care, the question of self-mutilation as a form of meditation was asked and I responded. I'm not trying to "convert" anyone into not slashing themselves with razors or anything like that, I'm merely giving my opinion that it is absurd thing to do. If other people think otherwise that's fine. If you want to cut yourself open with a knife then be my guest. I'm not stopping you or anyone else.Originally Posted by Neely
Self-mutilation is absurd. Excluding serious mental issues, there can be no justification for cutting/burning/scaring/chopping off a finger at all.
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