I'd suggest it's the clarity of responsibility by task that works, rather than the assignment of task by gender.Originally Posted by Buh4Bee
I mean, would it not work just as well if he did most of the cooking, shopping and laundry, and you kept the fire going, did the garbage and brought in the groceries?
I lasted up to 1.29, but obviously the programme is aimed primarily at women and therefore need not be bothered with by men. Let the hens cluck in the farmyard it keeps them out of mischief.
As for the adverts where women laugh at men, just put it down to another unsubtle piece of the social engineering that has now infected the world of advertising and can be similarly dismissed. It's worth remembering that using words like sexist, racist, and other self-righteous expressions only encourages the politically correct.
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
I lasted up to 1.29, but obviously the programme is aimed primarily at women and therefore need not be bothered with by men. Let the hens cluck in the farmyard it keeps them out of mischief.
Noted. It is annoying though, especially in light of the recent complaints regarding the Today programme and the lack of female representation! Pah.As for the adverts where women laugh at men, just put it down to another unsubtle piece of the social engineering that has now infected the world of advertising and can be similarly dismissed. It's worth remembering that using words like sexist, racist, and other self-righteous expressions only encourages the politically correct.
That's it Mark. It's not about gender that determines the chore, but about understanding who does what. It would work if my husband wanted to do those things, but he prefers the other jobs. At times, I do keep the fire going.
Well I gave up on the Today programme long ago, so I wasn't aware of any dispute. So I googled the subject and found some hilarious statements regarding the situation on the Daily Telegraph comments page. Then, briefly sidestepping to have a good laugh at an article called 'Britain - Tomorrows Next European Superpower', I returned to the Today subject and came across this comment that sums it up perfectly:
Noted. It is annoying though, especially in light of the recent complaints regarding the Today programme and the lack of female representation! Pah.
It would be far better to worry about the Political bias of the TODAY program and the damage it has caused to the UK than worry about the so called Gender bias. The presenters are certainly full of their own prejudices and able to talk all day . Some might say they are all women already.
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
I agree with most of what has been said above. There are still a few jobs left that require physical strengh - perhaps those are the kind that "men do" and feel masculine. (not to say women can't do them.)
The bringing in of logs harks back to this manly sentiment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL7n5mEmXJo
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I once worked in an office where a very beautiful girl came to work. She was half Scottish and half Brazilian, her father having worked on some engineering project in S.America. Unfortunately, it was at the time when all this equality nonsense had convinced her that she could do a traditional man's job and she decided to prove it by training to be a plumber. I asked her why she had not taken up plumbing and she said that her hands were not strong enough to undo the fittings that are often very tight on piping.I agree with most of what has been said above. There are still a few jobs left that require physical strengh - perhaps those are the kind that "men do" and feel masculine. (not to say women can't do them.)
On the other hand, Field Marshal Zhukov's mother was a Russian peasant woman who could carry a hundredweight of grain on her back quite easily. But, then again, if she were built like her illustrious son, that wouldn't be wholly surprising.
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
Perhaps I should have defined big, brave, and strong.
One needs to bare scale a cliff, climb mountains, build a trap for wild boar, hunt with only a crossbow and knife, ride horses bareback, race off-road motorbikes - all country stuff.
I've tried to find parallels, but city stuff doesn't actually equate.
A few weeks ago a pair of doodles thought they were going to mug me, and I used the 'That's not a knife - this is a knife' line. Two lead pellets to their heads from my slingshot quickly restored order
I know one young woman who is a welder and another who is a fire-fighter. Bahh, "equality nonsense!"
Well they may be the eternal exception that underlines every rule. I worked for a para-military force that had a women's contingent, but it was no more than 8%of the total. During WW11, Hannah Reitsch, who had been a test pilot for the Luftwaffe, flew her Storch aircraft out of Berlin under Russian gunfire to take Hitler's letter handing over power to Admiral Doenitz in the north of Germany.
Fantastic woman but hardly representative of the whole.
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
Can only men do that then? And if so, can only some men do it? And if so, does that mean that the men who can't do it aren't as masculine as the men that can do it? And if any women can do it, does that make them masculine women?
I expect it would have restored order as effectively if a girl had hit them with pellets from a slingshot.A few weeks ago a pair of doodles thought they were going to mug me, and I used the 'That's not a knife - this is a knife' line. Two lead pellets to their heads from my slingshot quickly restored order
I'm not saying any of this stuff isn't worth doing, or that it isn't laudable (I mean, how the hell would I know) - I'm just saying that I don't understand why it makes anyone 'feel masculine'.
Last edited by MarkBastable; 02-12-2012 at 06:15 PM.
800,000 Russian women served in their nation's military in World War 2. I believe there are differences between the sexes, but I also believe women are capable of doing pretty much anything a man can do. They've proven that over the last several decades.
Women of all the combatant countries were militarily involved. but it made no real difference to the final outcome. It's not a question of doing 'pretty much anything a man can do', but rather whether they want to do it at all.
If they do want to copy men, well, 'imitation is the sincerest form of flattery' as the old saying goes.
"L'art de la statistique est de tirer des conclusions erronèes a partir de chiffres exacts." Napoléon Bonaparte.
"Je crois que beaucoup de gens sont dans cet état d’esprit: au fond, ils ne sentent pas concernés par l’Histoire. Mais pourtant, de temps à autre, l’Histoire pose sa main sur eux." Michel Houellebecq.
800,000 women, often fighting on the front lines, made "no real difference to the final outcome?"
I think we're actually in agreement though. There seems to be a cultural attitude against women who decide to stay home and raise kids. The powers that be would prefer they be workers and consumers rather than wives and mothers.
I'd like to think that if I'd been born female I'd still be the same person - but I'd still want the same life I've had/am having. As I said earlier male/female doesn't mean all that much to me. Masculine/feminine in this thread's context is just the established cultural symbology of day/night, hot/cold etc - which both have their strengths in different ways.
I've been in predicaments where the only pellets I've used were their own against themselves. Is that male stupidity for not protecting their pills? Acting tough but not covering their Achilles Heel means they must have been hoping I'd do it. So I obliged.
A slingshot's just handy in case you're outnumbered (you can pick them off from a distance before they close in)
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