I said Evolution. Because I prefer evolution rather than saying "God created Adam and Eve"
Best Regards...
I said Evolution. Because I prefer evolution rather than saying "God created Adam and Eve"
Best Regards...
<Can't they ever make up their minds?>
Fortunately for us, most of the scientific community are always revising their work, open to new interpretations, etc. Unlike the religious communities whose minds were made up for them 2000/1500/2500/4000+ yrs ago.
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
The preachers deal with men of straw, as they are men of straw themselves - Henry David Thoreau
The way to see faith is to shut the eye of reason - Benjamin Franklin
The teaching of the church, theoretically astute, is a lie in practice and a compound of vulgar superstitions and sorcery - Leo Tolstoy
yeh i agree with her the thing is no they dont ever make up their minds because theyre always changing unlike your views no matter what peole say
They went with songs to the battle, they were young.
Straight of limb, true of eyes, steady and aglow.
They were staunch to the end against odds uncounted,
They fell with their faces to the foe.
They shall not grow old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning,
We will remember them.
You're assuming again, that every religious person has no mind of their own. If this were true, I would not believe in evolution in any form, but I do, just not mere chance. Cheers!Originally Posted by atiguhya padma
Some of us laugh
Some of us cry
Some of us smoke
Some of us lie
But it's all just the way
that we cope with our lives...
Well technically Darwin never stated that he disagreed with a creationist theory, all he said that life was breathed into this matter (paraphrased). So implying a God does exist. AND Genisis does state that God breathed life into man (the breath of life/God into adam. (again paraphrased).
And theoretically Genisis does mirrior the evolutionary stages in the evolution theory. So one is not concrete disproof of the other, however they do coincide. Perhaps Genisis is a metaphor fro creation, putting the concept into simpler terms so that early people could have some grasp of their origins, not to mention the Bible has been translated multiple times, aswell as revised multiple times. So it is possible that our present bible is slightly muddled.
That is why one should prey for disernment before reading the Bible, also another factor is personal interpretation. after all "everything is truee, from a certain point of view"
btw. nice darwin pic!
God isn't a monkey. neither is he like any other creatures his created. Man made him to be so. The Bible says He is a Spirit, the Great I AM.
Read this passage, you'll know what I mean:
God is a spirit:
And I don't think I've ever seen anyone look like this before: (see 1st attachment)
And I can imagine that Darwin would change his theory once he saw this:(see 2nd attachment)
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Stanislaw Lem
1921 - 2006, Rest In Peace.
"Faith is, at one and the same time, absolutely necessary and altogether impossible"
There used to be a famous scientific system for the identification of criminals called "The Bertillon System." Bertillion based his system on sound fact--probability mathematics. He postulated that if you took one measurement of a man, his exact height, the possibility of duplication was 1 in 4. But add in another measurement, the circumference of the head, and the odds increase to 16 to 1. His system used 14 measurements, and had odds of 286,435,456 to 1 odds of a duplication. Yet it failed in 1903 when a convict named Will West was being processed for entry into Leavenworth. According to his measurements, he was already behind bars in the prison. When the officals checked, their Will West was in his cell. The two might have been twins. Indeed, it turned out that they were. But their fingerprints were different. This really doesn't bear much on our discussion, but it does demonstrate (hopefully) the point I was trying to make about how the more factors that must come true to make chance come out right, the greater the odds of it ever occuring. But it can, I will concede that. It can, indeed.
Some of us laugh
Some of us cry
Some of us smoke
Some of us lie
But it's all just the way
that we cope with our lives...
I don't think it's right to say that Religion and Science are opposed, in fact I believe that they complement each other. I can't remember who said this, but he was a scientist and a Christian, and he said that 'we once believed that God was so great that he created the world, now we believe he is even greater than that; he created a world that could create itself'.
Centuries ago, I recall reading somewhere, the effects of theology on the comings of science. How the belief in possesion weighed heavily on the minds of the community when anything out of the ordinary happened. Epilepsy, I think, was caused by demonic possesion for your sins. Hammubari's codes were designed so that a woman may be divorced if she was "possesed" because she had sinned. See the process of blaming the victim here?
English is the only language in which you can pronounce the word phet as "fish." Use the ph in ephermeral, the e in women, and the t in caution.
George Bernard Shaw
The contrast here was the scientific community who considered these afflictions of the body. Tell me again that religion and science complement each other. No more than we need a good story.
<'we once believed that God was so great that he created the world, now we believe he is even greater than that; he created a world that could create itself'.>
That's merely a belief. There is nothing scientific about that statement. If a world could create itself, who needs God?
Faith is believing what you know ain't so - Mark Twain
The preachers deal with men of straw, as they are men of straw themselves - Henry David Thoreau
The way to see faith is to shut the eye of reason - Benjamin Franklin
The teaching of the church, theoretically astute, is a lie in practice and a compound of vulgar superstitions and sorcery - Leo Tolstoy
Ah... the real wonder though is that God CREATED the world (meaning making something out of nothing- where one could make something out of something but not anything out of nothing) in such a way that it could take care of itself. (reproduction, decomposition, sanitation, etc.) See how even He created instinct in animals, which men marvel at, but refuse to acknowledge the Maker or it all! The Irony!
If I admired an invention of a scientist, could I then say, " Oh! I've never heard of such a scientist before, therefore He couldn't have made this splendid invention" Neither could I claim, "This scientist couldn't have done it" or say, "If you say that the scientist did really make it, then prove it to me. Let me see him at work with it myself." I could also choose to find fault with the machine and say "oh look! there is a fault of operation here... it's all wrong. the manual's wrong. this scientist is a liar!"
How could I presume to say that I, ME and MYSELF should get the honour of watching the scientist at work? How could I claim that since I've never come across of such a scientist before, that one doesn't exist? It is MY fault that I didn't know him before and not the scientist's! Yet all in all, the invention is still there for itself to prove in reality that it was made by the unknown scientist, (whether I choose to believe it or not) and that the scientist really does exist!
You see, it is the same with mankind today and God, He is the Scientist who created the universe out of nothing. He was the scientist's whose invention has lasted thousands of years old, millions of days old. He was the One who caused His work to reproduce after it's own kind and dispose after itself. He is the I AM who made the beauty of the looming majestic mountains that we so admire, and the fragile breath of the lily. It was Himself, indeed who gave us ungrateful wretches life and breath.
Yet after all this, mankind starts to say, "where is such a God, the scientist?" I have never heard of Him, myself! I have never seen Him. He doesn't exist!" They start to say "I've found a fault in the manual- God's Word. He's a liar!" Man has started to doubt the Creator and His Word, even while the creation is still before them! They've put holes in the testimony of the creation where none was before, and spread lies to everyone around... lies that in this world could have been sued after.....
The creation of the Maker is BEFORE your very eyes, oh blinded people! Tear off the prejudice, cast the lies away and see and hear for yourself the fresh Truth! God is the only God, The Great I AM who made the world Himself. He is the scientist who you so scornfully reject and despise. Look on the world and see for yourself!!
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." Romans 10:9-11
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"It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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But weren't the Ancient Egyptian gods (Atum/Ra in particular), the Norse gods (Odin and his brothers), the Greek gods (especially Prometheus and Epimetheus) P'an-ku (whose fleas became mankind after he died for the world), Kamui, Izanami and Izanagi (the latter couple created the Japanese islands, the first was the divine creator), the Aboriginal ancestors who woke and created themselves out of nothing (especially Ungambikula) and then carved people from the earth, and every other creation god, also scientists? Wasn't even the cow who "un-iced" (licked the primeval ice until he came out) Odin and the first Norse gods also, in a sense, scientists?You see, it is the same with mankind today and God, He is the Scientist who created the universe out of nothing.
Um, just curious, but do you mean to say that you think this (sorry if a teeny bit large) is "incorrect"?He was the scientist's whose invention has lasted thousands of years old, millions of days old.
As I said just curious. And what do you make of million-year-old fossils? Hmm, what about the Stone Age people? From what I remember, humans have only been on earth for three minutes in a 24-hr day (appearing three minutes before midnight)...
Interesting subject,
Loki
Last edited by Loki; 09-21-2005 at 05:35 AM.
Through the deep wood, the slanting sunlight
Casts motley patterns on the jade-green mosses.
No glimpse of man in this lonely mountain,
Yet faint voices drift on the air.
~ Wang Wei
Hey Loki, I am a geologist, and I totally concur with your diagram. The interesting thing is the abundant life that we as humans consider lesser forms (about 95% of your diagram). The evidence of evolution is just overwhelming. Creation is a rationalism of earlier times. When the Book of Genesis was written 7000 years represented an almost inconceivable amount of time.
"I am glad to learn my friend that you had not yet submitted yourself to any of the mouldy laws of Literature."
-John Muir
"My candle burns at both ends; It will not last the night; But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends - It gives a lovely light"
-Edna St. Vincent Millay
I'll say one thing, Loki, mon ami. I am told that to belive that God created everything takes a lot of faith. Perhaps this is so. But for me, to believe in the events recorded on your very carefully drawn out chart takes even more faith...
Some of us laugh
Some of us cry
Some of us smoke
Some of us lie
But it's all just the way
that we cope with our lives...
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