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    Religions are belief systems based on stories concocted by people. Water erosion isn't concocted by people. Stars aren't. Rocks aren't. Oceans aren't. Science isn't a belief system, it's physical. Obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varenne Rodin View Post
    Religions are belief systems based on stories concocted by people. Water erosion isn't concocted by people. Stars aren't. Rocks aren't. Oceans aren't. Science isn't a belief system, it's physical. Obviously.
    True science observes all the evidence. There is evidence that contradicts the theories of many scientists. So should they modify their theory or throw out the evidence? Because they tell a story that they have concocted based on sketchy evidence. How do the stars, water erosion, rocks, and oceans support the story that they tell? You have stories that you choose to believe, as I have stories that I choose to believe. A story can be true or false. Maybe both stories have truths and falsities, but we choose to believe them. Why should we assume that my stories are false and that your stories are true? An open mind is a wonderful thing.
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    Science isn't based on stories.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    Science isn't based on stories.
    Scientific theory is though. There's this story that I once heard that one celled creatures came about by happenstance and they evolved into more complex creatures. This wild story goes on and on....THIS is NOT Science.
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    Bien have you read Augustine's Confessions? I'm no believer but I'm reading it right now. A very articulate and emphatic declaration and discussion of faith, I think it would be pure gold to any Christian.

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    Bien, when genuine evidence disproves a theory, it is thrown out. Thousands of scientists are attempting to disprove theories at any given time. That's part of scientific method. Asking over and over and over, "Can this be disproven?" Word of mouth bible stories don't disprove anything physical. I think this stubbornness on your part is an attempt for you to feel validated in your choice of beliefs. No scientist or atheist is going to validate an old fairy tale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC View Post
    Scientific theory is though. There's this story that I once heard that one celled creatures came about by happenstance and they evolved into more complex creatures. This wild story goes on and on....THIS is NOT Science.
    Meh. I don't argue with people who don't believe in evolution anymore. It's an exhaustive, pointless exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    Meh. I don't argue with people who don't believe in evolution anymore. It's an exhaustive, pointless exercise.
    I agree concerning those who believe that it's a fact.
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    Even the Vatican acknowledges the reality of evolution. Is that why you don't like Catholics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi View Post
    Meh. I don't argue with people who don't believe in evolution anymore. It's an exhaustive, pointless exercise.
    I've tried, it's pointless, I can't even convince him that the Earth is more than 8000 years old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Varenne Rodin View Post
    Even the Vatican acknowledges the reality of evolution. Is that why you don't like Catholics?
    The Vatican is not prepared to acknowledge the reality of evolution. They know didley about it. They are prepared for involution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanPip View Post
    I've tried, it's pointless, I can't even convince him that the Earth is more than 8000 years old.
    I'm still waiting for explanations for the evidence that contradicts their theories. Too many holes in the theory. Funny, I still can't convince you that there is an intelligent design, and that requires an intelligent Designer. Oh...you still think that it all happened TOTALLY by accident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cafolini View Post
    The Vatican is not prepared to acknowledge the reality of evolution. They know didley about it. They are prepared for involution.
    I'm sure you're right, caf. I was just referring to statements Vatican priests gave on the matter. One priest went so far as to say the bible stories are just stories that are helpful for raising moral, happy people. He said yes, evolution has been proven. I am in no way condoning or advocating Catholicism by saying this. I'm merely pointing out that even very religious people can see that evolution is a part of life and change. It doesn't make sense to deny it. It's like a person saying that because they are religious, they can just choose to believe that the sky is made of marshmallows, and then saying their marshmallow sky theory is just as valid as the blue sky "theory".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varenne Rodin View Post
    I'm sure you're right, caf. I was just referring to statements Vatican priests gave on the matter. One priest went so far as to say the bible stories are just stories that are helpful for raising moral, happy people. He said yes, evolution has been proven. I am in no way condoning or advocating Catholicism by saying this. I'm merely pointing out that even very religious people can see that evolution is a part of life and change. It doesn't make sense to deny it. It's like a person saying that because they are religious, they can just choose to believe that the sky is made of marshmallows, and then saying their marshmallow sky theory is just as valid as the blue sky "theory".
    I don't have any respect for the religion of the Vatican, or their opinions. However, considering the evidences. I was taught in school that it takes millions of years for coal to form, but the truth of the matter is that it takes mere decades for wood to coalify. So why are the schools still teaching that it takes millions of years? There's also evidence that dinosaurs coexisted with mankind. Pictographs and pottery has been found showing that man had seen dinosaurs long ago, but it seems that conflicts with the current teachings of many evolutionists. Why do we not see these things in the schools? It's because this evidence has been rejected. Since when do honest scientists reject evidence? I'd like to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC View Post
    I guess I could also count "atheism" as a religion as well. It's just another belief system.
    At the best these can be termed as ''variations' of a belief system...not beliefs.
    I think belief and faith are two different domains?
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