Public Nudity

[ftil]

I'm with you 100%. I think you said it perfectly!

This must be a way that women are different.

We are different, no doubt about it. I think that the problem is the fact that many men can’t understand women at all. Sadly, they are convinced that they do. I see it as luck of emotional awareness or emotional literacy as well as lack of listening skills. But they can’t master listening skills if they are no fully in touch with feelings and can’t understand the subtlety of their own feelings. They don’t understand their reactions either and will never understand others.

But there are men who understand women. Claude Steiner, Transactional Analysts therapist, said that he had a very high IQ but he was an imbecile in terms of emotional awareness. He has reached such a high level of emotional literacy and he was one of my teachers. I am still laughing that it should be otherwise.

[Vonny]

We are different, no doubt about it. I think that the problem is the fact that many men can’t understand women at all. Sadly, they are convinced that they do. I see it as luck of emotional awareness or emotional literacy as well as lack of listening skills. But they can’t master listening skills if they are no fully in touch with feelings and can’t understand the subtlety of their own feelings. They don’t understand their reactions either and will never understand others.

But there are men who understand women. Claude Steiner, Transactional Analysts therapist, said that he had a very high IQ but he was an imbecile in terms of emotional awareness. He has reached such a high level of emotional literacy and he was one of my teachers. I am still laughing that it should be otherwise.

But ftil, why is it that when I'm crossing the street in a crosswalk, women drivers usually won't stop for me but the men do?

[stlukesguild]

We are different, no doubt about it. I think that the problem is the fact that many men can’t understand women at all. Sadly, they are convinced that they do. I see it as luck of emotional awareness or emotional literacy as well as lack of listening skills. But they can’t master listening skills if they are no fully in touch with feelings and can’t understand the subtlety of their own feelings. They don’t understand their reactions either and will never understand others.

Yes. We are different, no doubt about it. I think that the problem is the fact that many women can't understand men at all. Sadly, they are convinced that they do. I see it as a lack of higher intellectual capabilities and grasp of logic. So many women are flighty, emotional creatures that will never be able to understand the greater complexities and subtitles of real thought that it is truly a shame that we even waste our time putting them through school.


Same stereotypical sexist BS. Different gender.

[ftil]

But ftil, why is it that when I'm crossing the street in a crosswalk, women drivers usually won't stop for me but the men do?

I think that they stop to appreciate your beauty whereas female drivers are in hurry …. to have a conversation with a friend or a partner.
Well, I don't want to say that they are in hurry from the office ....... to clean and cook .

[Vonny]

It also requires having what some psychologists call a six sense to intuit the subtlety of others feelings and needs.

I often don't intuit others feelings and needs, myself. I mostly don't know what I feel or need, either. People ask me, "How are you?" I don't know how to answer.

I think the forum is a great place to work on developing the sixth sense.

I think that they stop to appreciate your beauty whereas female drivers are in hurry …. to have a conversation with a friend or a partner.
Well, I don't want to say that they are in hurry from the office ....... to clean and cook .

ftil, I don't know how to answer, really. Why aren't the men in a big hurry to get to the strip club, because it certainly has more to offer than I do.

[ftil]

I often don't intuit others feelings and needs, myself. I mostly don't know what I feel or need, either. People ask me, "How are you?" I don't know how to answer.

I think the forum is a great place to work on developing the sixth sense.

Well, don’t feel alone. Many women can’t identify their needs and feelings. I see it as a result of female programming since women were trained to put others needs first. It takes time to achieve emotional literacy. I didn’t get it overnight but it took a considerable work even though I have always felt deeply.

ftil, I don't know how to answer, really. Why aren't the men in a big hurry to get to the strip club, because it certainly has more to offer than I do.

Oh, I can only give a female perspective that may be not valid at all. Men need to answer it. Some men would be running to the strip club whereas others would not waste their time to do so as they enjoy their relationship.

I have feelings that we hijack this tread. Why don't we let older boys enjoy conversation about nudity and sex. BTW, do we have a girls chat so that we can meet?

[Vonny]

I see it as a result of female programming since women were trained to put others needs first.

I have a different life experience than other people. My mother has an almost supernatural ability to intuit the subtleties of my feelings and needs. And then her understanding allows her an almost supernatural ability to inflict emotional pain on me, and to manipulate me. And because she's my mother, and I love her, I've been unable to get completely free of it.

About hijacking threads, I'm one of the worst for doing it. I don't intend it, but I'm often unable to intuit the subject and reply appropriately.

There's a few women here that I appreciate, and quality makes up for quantity, but generally speaking, nearly everything of substance and originality on this forum is provided by men.

[osho]

Vonny, you have always been positive and in many posts and some include mine too you saw something few did.
Some are too much obsessed with femininity or are feminists or activists in their voluble voices and they observe the shadow of what males are made up of and you said the flame that comes with the smoke too in males. While many activists talk brusquely about males as if they are machos only. In fact males are actively and engagingly interested in talking about love, romance, sex, nudity and the like and most women inertly support these ideas and there are others who with their negative mental frames or bends of thoughts see the dirty side of the males who candidly talk about such things. We talk about nudity more through art forms and we have books, and some are classics like D H Lawrence, Henry Miller, Nabokov and even Balzac talking about human vanity, social arrogance. Of course many persons have double standards though they privately enjoy talking about nudity and yet they want to the outside world prove they are austere, well-bred and gentlemanly or gentlewomanly. There are other societies that are matriarchal wherein women are more commanding and aggressive and they actively take the initiative to have an amorous relationship and matrimonial engagements.
People judge others by what they see around their environs and they suffer poor visibility or in fact are blinkered. They love to cocoon themselves in the shrouds of their narrow realties, educations or the experiences they have gathered from their elders or the values bequeathed down to them through their elders which they call culture.

[ftil]

I have a different life experience than other people. My mother has an almost supernatural ability to intuit the subtleties of my feelings and needs. And then her understanding allows her an almost supernatural ability to inflict emotional pain on me, and to manipulate me. And because she's my mother, and I love her, I've been unable to get completely free of it.

We do have some issues with our parents, don’t we? It is much harder to free ourselves from manipulation done by parents than manipulation done but other people due to a quite high emotional intensity. It takes time to do so.

There's a few women here that I appreciate, and quality makes up for quantity, but generally speaking, nearly everything of substance and originality on this forum is provided by men.

Well, I would never dismiss the contribution of men. In fact, I highly admire men who have brilliant minds. But brilliant mind is not enough if is not open. Open-mind is closely associated with having a rich inner life and self awareness. E. Berne and Maslov have written about. According to Berne, most scientists are the most psychologically unbalanced people due to the dormant Free Child Ego state and Nurturing Parent Ego state. They have overdeveloped Adult Ego state and quite high Critical Parent (Brene called Pig Parent) and Adopted Child Ego state. Maslov wrote about compulsive and addictive traits that many scientists possess. I know a few scientists who possess both brilliant and open mind as well as high level of self awareness.

We need a few laughs.

Tale of Two Brains

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxtUH_bHBxs


Men's Brain Women's Brain - Ram and Multi-tasking

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fF9B0lukM4

[Scheherazade]

Here is something of substance by a woman on the Forum (though, since I say this quite often, it rather lacks originality, for which I apologize profusely):

R e m i n d e r

The topic of the thead:

For or against?

Is it a good thing? Or bad?

Is there enough of of it? Too much of it? Not enough of it?

Let's hear what the panel thinks...

Those who would like to discuss their childhood or how unfaily they have been treated by men or, come to think of it, any other issues - apart from the ones stated in the OP-, should do so in separate threads.

You can also consider using the blogging facilities available, which would give you the desired flexibility while airing your thoughts and feelings.

Posts containing off-topic and/or personal comments will be removed without further notice.

[PoeticPassions]

There can never be enough nudity, I say. Unless it is old people... like really old people. I'm not too keen on that, but I would say that if you want to bare all, do it. As long as you are not some creepy flasher, walking around town in a trench coat, scaring children.

But seriously, I think the human body should be appreciated and not made into something taboo or dirty. I think that societies that are more open about nudity tend to have less sexual deviance (this is just a hunch, not based on statistics or facts), in the sense that children and adolescents are more prone to being open about it, discussing it, or just being comfortable with it (and not over-sexualizing everything).

Nudity is natural, my friends. But of course, it can be a bit shocking or offensive, if we are not used to it.

[cacian]

Nudity is one and public is another.
I see them as two separate things.
Nudity is something you do privately with other like minded people.
Public means people and that means some people would mind and some won't.
Public means everyone is different so one must not assume everyonbe will agree or disagree.
Therefore going nude publically can only be fine when the public whose one is exposing nudity to knows about it before hand.
For example if I was at a party and someone turned up nude or took their clothes I would find it offensive, not because of the nudity itself, but because that person who went nude assumed everyone enjoys it or is fine about it.
In other words don't expect everyone to go with the flowabout anything when in public places.

[affu933]

It is a bad thing, i am against of it....

[stlukesguild]

Why? Some reasons behind your line of thinking might be of use.

[Ecurb]

Why? Some reasons behind your line of thinking might be of use.

Public nudity is a bad idea in the winter, especially in Siberia and Alaska. Although I have not done any scientific research on the subject, popular wisdom has it that the public nudist who braves such climes might actually freeze some of his body parts "off". I'm not talking about fingernails or hair, either.

Let's take a stand, one way or the other! People should greet the public naked, or they should wear full burquas. The middle ground is wishy-washy!

Personally, I support public nudity, when the temperature is reasonable, but think private nudity is obscene, and could lead to the sin of Onanism. Also, we should prevent environmental deprivation by bathing and showering fully clothed. This would save water and energy by simultaneously cleansing both our bodies and our clothing. The government should install video cameras in all bathrooms to ensure compliance. Naked showering would be punishable by either stoning or being forced to listen to an out loud reading of Rachel Carson's "Silent Spring", whichever the defendant prefers.