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    Quote Originally Posted by stlukesguild View Post
    The attempt to tear down an art form into separate elements seems wrong-headed to me. Just because a film works brilliantly, in no way means that if we dissect it we will find that each individual element will stand as a brilliant work of art independent of the whole: that the screen play will stand as great novel, the cinematography as equal to Anselm Adams, the musical score as worthy of standing along side Beethoven, etc... The whole in a work of art is not necessarily simply defined as a sum of the parts. Inflated claims for the "poetry" of John Lennon, Robert Plant, Lou Reed, etc... underestimates real poetry as well as it underestimates the the importance of the music in song and the merger of the two in creating a new art form... whole in and of itself.
    Yes, I agree. I was not trying to argue, nor was my teacher, that poems and songs are synonymous, rather, that they do share many qualities. I think your response eloquently illustrates that. What I was trying to articulate was those interesting examples (such as Schubert's cycle, or Cohen) that blur lines or make us view poems or songs in a different way.

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    I was going to bring up the Odyssey etc. but it's been brought up. I remember hearing something Lenny Bruce said, something like, "Sure it's art. It might not be good art, but it's art."
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    Does any one know where the love of God goes
    when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
    -Gordon Lightfoot, The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
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    Quote Originally Posted by mortalterror View Post
    Does any one know where the love of God goes
    when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
    -Gordon Lightfoot, The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald
    I've listened to Gordon Lightfoot's Gord's Gold collection and I think all of the lyrics could be formatted as poems and be enjoyable as such. I doubt they would make it into a modern collection of poetry, but then they wouldn't reach the audience his lyrics have reached.

    Of course, the music adds to the overall enjoyment. I particularly enjoy Early Morning Rain, Carefree Highway and If You Could Read My Mind.

    The OP wanted to know if there are song lyrics that could be published as poetry by a respectable poetry publisher. The very question hints that lyrics might not be real poetry. That hint does not imply anything good about modern poetry. I think it is a popular impression that any drivel that has line breaks could get published as "poetry" by these respectable poetry publishers, but anything that is too ballad-like would get rejected.

    I also suspect songwriters don't really want to be called "poets". It associates them with too many negative ideas and personality traits. If you don't know what I mean by these negative ideas, the movie Running With Scissors does a good job of expressing them.

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    Alright damnit, I looked through 10 pages and didn't see any Jeff Mangum (of Neutral Milk Hotel fame) material, so here I am filling that incredible void.

    Holland 1945

    The only girl I've ever loved
    Was born with roses in her eyes
    But then they buried her alive
    One evening 1945
    With just her sister at her side
    And only weeks before the guns
    All came and rained on everyone
    Now she's a little boy in Spain
    Playing pianos filled with flames
    On empty rings around the sun
    All sing to say my dream has come

    But now we must pack up every piece
    Of the life we used to love
    Just to keep ourselves
    At least enough to carry on

    And now we ride the circus wheel
    With your dark brother wrapped in white
    Says it was good to be alive
    But now he rides a comet's flame
    And won't be coming back again
    The Earth looks better from a star
    That's right above from where you are
    He didn't mean to make you cry
    With sparks that ring and bullets fly
    On empty rings around your heart
    The world just screams and falls apart

    But now we must pack up every piece
    Of the life we used to love
    Just to keep ourselves
    At least enough to carry on

    And here's where your mother sleeps
    And here is the room where your brothers were born
    Indentions in the sheets
    Where their bodies once moved but don't move anymore
    And it's so sad to see the world agree
    That they'd rather see their faces fill with flies
    All when I'd want to keep white roses in their eyes


    Communist Daughter

    Sweet communist
    The communist daughter
    Standing on the sea-weed water
    Semen stains the mountain tops
    Semen stains the mountain tops
    With coca leaves along the border
    Sweetness sings from every corner
    Cars careening from the clouds
    The bridges burst and twist around
    And wanting something warm and moving
    Bends towards herself the soothing
    Proves that she must still exist
    She moves herself about her fist
    Sweet communist
    The communist daughter
    Standing on the sea-weed water
    Semen stains the mountain tops
    Semen stains the mountain tops

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    This is slighty off topic, but isn't it true bob dylan has been nominated for the nobel prize for literature before?

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    Regarding The Edmund Fitzgerald: Granted I'm half drunk right now, but those lines strike me as adequate poetry. I remember seeing a Gordon Lightfoot album that showed him long-haired, lying on his back in a baggy dress-shirt in a meadow, smelling a flower. I thought: this guy's trying to look like a troubador. It wouldn't surprise me, leaving how good or bad he is aside, if Gordon Lightfoot had traditions in mind other than those of modern pop music.

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    Leonard Cohen

    The door it opened slowly,
    My father he came in,
    I was nine years old.
    And he stood so tall above me,
    His blue eyes they were shining
    And his voice was very cold.
    He said, "I've had a vision
    And you know I'm strong and holy,
    I must do what I've been told."
    So he started up the mountain,
    I was running, he was walking,
    And his axe was made of gold.

    Well, the trees they got much smaller,
    The lake a lady's mirror,
    We stopped to drink some wine.
    Then he threw the bottle over.
    Broke a minute later
    And he put his hand on mine.
    Thought I saw an eagle
    But it might have been a vulture,
    I never could decide.
    Then my father built an altar,
    He looked once behind his shoulder,
    He knew I would not hide.

    You who build these altars now
    To sacrifice these children,
    You must not do it anymore.
    A scheme is not a vision
    And you never have been tempted
    By a demon or a god.
    You who stand above them now,
    Your hatchets blunt and bloody,
    You were not there before,
    When I lay upon a mountain
    And my father's hand was trembling
    With the beauty of the world.

    And if you call me brother now,
    Forgive me if I inquire,
    "Just according to whose plan?"
    When it all comes down to dust
    I will kill you if I must,
    I will help you if I can.
    When it all comes down to dust
    I will help you if I must,
    I will kill you if I can.
    And mercy on our uniform,
    Man of peace or man of war,
    The peacock spreads his fan.
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    Nothing resting in its own completeness
    Can have worth or beauty; but alone
    Because it leads and tends to farther sweetness,
    Fuller, higher, deeper than its own.

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    Jackson Browne


    It is a dance we do in silence
    Far below this morning sun
    You in your life, me in mine
    We have begun
    Here we stand and without speaking
    Draw the water from the well
    And stare beyond the plains
    To where the mountains lie so still

    But it's a long way that I have come
    Across the sand to find this peace among your people in the sun
    Where the families work the land as they have always done
    Oh it's so far the other way my country's gone

    Across my home has grown the shadow
    Of a cruel and senseless hand
    Though in some strong hearts
    The love and truth remain
    And it has taken me this distance
    And a woman's smile to learn
    That my heart remains among them
    And to them I must return

    But it's a long way that I have come
    Across the sand to find you here among these people in the sun
    Where your children will be born
    You'll watch them as they run
    Oh it's so far the other way my life has gone

    If you look for me, maria
    You will find me in the shade
    Wide awake or in a dream
    It's hard to tell--
    If you come to me, maria
    I will show you what I've made
    It's a picture for our lady of the well
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    Nothing resting in its own completeness
    Can have worth or beauty; but alone
    Because it leads and tends to farther sweetness,
    Fuller, higher, deeper than its own.

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    [Sir Mix-a-Lot]
    I like big butts and I can not lie
    You other brothers can't deny
    That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
    And a round thing in your face
    You get sprung, wanna pull out your tough
    'Cause you notice that butt was stuffed
    Deep in the jeans she's wearing
    I'm hooked and I can't stop staring
    Oh baby, I wanna get with you
    And take your picture
    My homeboys tried to warn me
    But that butt you got makes me so horny
    Ooh, Rump-o'-smooth-skin
    You say you wanna get in my Benz?
    Well, use me, use me
    'Cause you ain't that average groupie
    I've seen them dancin'
    To hell with romancin'
    She's sweat, wet,
    Got it goin' like a turbo 'Vette
    I'm tired of magazines
    Sayin' flat butts are the thing
    Take the average black man and ask him that
    She gotta pack much back
    So, fellas! (Yeah!) Fellas! (Yeah!)
    Has your girlfriend got the butt? (Hell yeah!)
    Tell 'em to shake it! (Shake it!) Shake it! (Shake it!)
    Shake that healthy butt!
    Baby got back!

    (LA face with Oakland booty)
    Baby got back!

    [Sir Mix-a-Lot]
    I like 'em round, and big
    And when I'm throwin' a gig
    I just can't help myself, I'm actin' like an animal
    Now here's my scandal
    I wanna get you home
    And ugh, double-up, ugh, ugh
    I ain't talkin' bout Playboy
    'Cause silicone parts are made for toys
    I want 'em real thick and juicy
    So find that juicy double
    Mix-a-Lot's in trouble
    Beggin' for a piece of that bubble
    So I'm lookin' at rock videos
    Knock-kneeded bimbos walkin' like hoes
    You can have them bimbos
    I'll keep my women like Flo Jo
    A word to the thick soul sisters, I wanna get with ya
    I won't cuss or hit ya
    But I gotta be straight when I say I wanna ******
    Till the break of dawn
    Baby got it goin' on
    A lot of simps won't like this song
    'Cause them punks like to hit it and quit it
    And I'd rather stay and play
    'Cause I'm long, and I'm strong
    And I'm down to get the friction on
    So, ladies! {Yeah!} Ladies! {Yeah}
    If you wanna roll in my Mercedes {Yeah!}
    Then turn around! Stick it out!
    Even white boys got to shout
    Baby got back!

    Baby got back!
    Yeah, baby ... when it comes to females, Cosmo ain't got nothin'
    to do with my selection. 36-24-36? Ha ha, only if she's 5'3".

    [Sir Mix-a-Lot]
    So your girlfriend rolls a Honda, playin' workout tapes by Fonda
    But Fonda ain't got a motor in the back of her Honda
    My anaconda don't want none
    Unless you've got buns, hun
    You can do side bends or sit-ups,
    But please don't lose that butt
    Some brothers wanna play that "hard" role
    And tell you that the butt ain't gold
    So they toss it and leave it
    And I pull up quick to retrieve it
    So Cosmo says you're fat
    Well I ain't down with that!
    'Cause your waist is small and your curves are kickin'
    And I'm thinkin' bout stickin'
    To the beanpole dames in the magazines:
    You ain't it, Miss Thing!
    Give me a sister, I can't resist her
    Red beans and rice didn't miss her
    Some knucklehead tried to dis
    'Cause his girls are on my list
    He had game but he chose to hit 'em
    And I pull up quick to get wit 'em
    So ladies, if the butt is round,
    And you want a triple X throw down,
    Dial 1-900-MIXALOT
    And kick them nasty thoughts
    Baby got back!

    (Little in the middle but she got much back)
    Nothing resting in its own completeness
    Can have worth or beauty; but alone
    Because it leads and tends to farther sweetness,
    Fuller, higher, deeper than its own.

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    Joni Mitchell

    Just before our love got lost you said
    "I am as constant as a northern star"
    And I said "Constantly in the darkness
    Where's that at?
    If you want me I'll be in the bar"

    On the back of a cartoon coaster
    In the blue TV screen light
    I drew a map of Canada
    Oh Canada
    With your face sketched on it twice
    Oh you're in my blood like holy wine
    You taste so bitter and so sweet

    Oh I could drink a case of you darling
    Still I'd be on my feet
    oh I would still be on my feet

    Oh I am a lonely painter
    I live in a box of paints
    I'm frightened by the devil
    And I'm drawn to those ones that ain't afraid

    I remember that time you told me you said
    "Love is touching souls"
    Surely you touched mine
    'Cause part of you pours out of me
    In these lines from time to time
    Oh, you're in my blood like holy wine
    You taste so bitter and so sweet

    Oh I could drink a case of you darling
    And I would still be on my feet
    I would still be on my feet

    I met a woman
    She had a mouth like yours
    She knew your life
    She knew your devils and your deeds
    And she said
    "Go to him, stay with him if you can
    But be prepared to bleed"

    Oh but you are in my blood
    You're my holy wine
    You're so bitter, bitter and so sweet

    Oh, I could drink a case of you darling
    Still I'd be on my feet
    I would still be on my feet
    There is hope, but not for us.

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    Bob Dylan

    In the time of my confession, in the hour of my deepest need
    When the pool of tears beneath my feet flood every newborn seed
    There’s a dyin’ voice within me reaching out somewhere
    Toiling in the danger and in the morals of despair

    Don’t have the inclination to look back on any mistake
    Like Cain, I now behold this chain of events that I must break
    In the fury of the moment I can see the Master’s hand
    In every leaf that trembles, in every grain of sand

    Oh, the flowers of indulgence and the weeds of yesteryear
    Like criminals, they have choked the breath of conscience and good cheer
    The sun beat down upon the steps of time to light the way
    To ease the pain of idleness and the memory of decay

    I gaze into the doorway of temptation’s angry flame
    And every time I pass that way I always hear my name
    Then onward in my journey I come to understand
    That every hair is numbered like every grain of sand

    I have gone from rags to riches in the sorrow of the night
    In the violence of a summer’s dream, in the chill of a wintry light
    In the bitter dance of loneliness fading into space
    In the broken mirror of innocence on each forgotten face

    I hear the ancient footsteps like the motion of the sea
    Sometimes I turn, there’s someone there, other times it’s only me
    I am hanging in the balance of the reality of man
    Like every sparrow falling, like every grain of sand.
    There is hope, but not for us.

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    I have always thought that Isaac Brock has a way with words and is one of those few artists whose lyrics can directly translate into beautiful poetry.


    Wild Pack of Family Dogs

    A wild pack of family dogs came runnin' through the yard one day
    My father got his gun, shot it up, they ran away OK
    A wild pack of family dogs came runnin' through the yard
    And as my own dog ran away with them, I didn't say much of anything at all
    A wild pack of family dogs came runnin' through the yard
    As my little sister played, the dogs took her away
    And I guess she was eaten up OK, yeah she was eaten up OK
    My mother cryin' blood dust now

    My dad he quit his job today, well I guess he was fired but that? OK
    And I sittin' outside my mud lake, waiting for the pack to take me away
    And right after I die the dogs start floating up towards the glowing sky
    Now they?l receive their rewards, now they will receive their rewards


    I think that he clearly writes and thinks poetically and not simply to get a catch lyric that will be stuck in peoples heads. His work speaks to me and I have always viewed it as poetry as much as it is music. If you haven't listened to or read any of his other stuff, you really should look into it. Doing the Cockroach is also a really good one, and People as places as people.

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    Thom Yorke of Radiohead is often overlooked as a serious songwriter, but many of his Kid A era songs engage in some really intelligent political and social commentary, especially the meaningful lyrics of "Like Spinning Plates." Song lyrics often get overlooked by academia, but that is too bad because there are many musicians out there who have more talent and interesting things to say than many current "poets."

    legomenon.com/radiohead-like-spinning-plates-lyrics-meaning-rwanda-genocide.html

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