Have Islamic scholars not preserved a human mix in the Koran?Originally Posted by usman.khawar
Have Islamic scholars not preserved a human mix in the Koran?
Well.. Lord himself took this responsiliblity. to preserve each word. He told it in Quran as well. He said in quran that previous scriptures has been changed and as He is completing knowledge which He started from Adam in Quran. and as there would be no prophet will come till dooms day (except Jesus Christ , Eisa masih ibn Mariyam who will confirm islam and will make no changing in the rules and regulations of Quran). so there it was necessary if we see as logically for Lord to protect quran. this is also a proof when that even a single word is not changed. i explained in another thread that when quran is translated in anyother language , then it is difficult to translate as it is. but the actual quran which is in arabic is same as it was 14 centuries before. i said once that if we proof a single verse wrong then its very easy to deny Lord. it is our argument as well. this verse that " We gave u this knowlegde/remembrance and we will protect it" too coultnt be chalenged. muslims sholarsleave them alone
You do know that the Koran is a book, don't you?Well.. Lord himself took this responsiliblity. to preserve each word. He told it in Quran as well. He said in quran that previous scriptures has been changed and as He is completing knowledge which He started from Adam in Quran. and as there would be no prophet will come till dooms day (except Jesus Christ , Eisa masih ibn Mariyam who will confirm islam and will make no changing in the rules and regulations of Quran). so there it was necessary if we see as logically for Lord to protect quran. this is also a proof when that even a single word is not changed. i explained in another thread that when quran is translated in anyother language , then it is difficult to translate as it is. but the actual quran which is in arabic is same as it was 14 centuries before. i said once that if we proof a single verse wrong then its very easy to deny Lord. it is our argument as well. this verse that " We gave u this knowlegde/remembrance and we will protect it" too coultnt be chalenged. muslims sholars
revealed on prophet on his heart and sometime through angel who talked to him. its better to read quran once in critising style to find errors/faults. millions of people learn this book by heart. can u beleive that that without changing a single word it is learn by heart. even kids lesser than age of 10. millions of people.
well i didnt find any comments about article questions n asnwers. is thereany one who can try to give any answer of any questions asked to my teacher??
Q# 1: Who is Sufi /mystic?
what do u think what would be the appropriate answer by ur mind..
The man of no book.
what happened with men who had book ? what did jews to the book was the same which was done by christians with the book given to Jesus Christ. jew's rabis hide verses which go against their self's benfits same was did by priests. isnt it?
its logical not to give book at once. also quran verses was revealed at in the time of need in 23 years so that people could better understand. whenever any verse was revealed people wrote it on leafs stones etc. after 23 years all verses were collected in the shape of book together. whats wrong with it then ? this is just the difference of understanding if people say Muhammad had no book. every body is liberal in his/her perception. i beleive through knowledge/curosity to know/ can lead a person towards the real fact.
Last edited by usman.khawar; 09-06-2011 at 10:06 AM.
To gather all one's knowledge from books is folly.
explain what u wanna to say .. are you saying getting knowlegde from books is foolishness ???
The Koran is largely a ripoff from Jewish sources, it's bound to have contradictions.
No friend, though I am not a Muslim. It is a different source though at some points something resembles. In some ways many religious ideas have something in common. The Koran is a great source of wisdom.
With that said I do not mean people have always made proper use of it. Many religions have given birth to great prophets whose work helped us to free us of some of the sacrileges and yet I cannot ignore the fact some people thru their deviant acts have triggered the acts like the September 11th act.
I find the Prophets in Islam sources of inspiration barring some fundamentalists
Nothing will convince a dishonest man of the truth, not even his own scriptures.
You are right, Wilson. In fact it is better to be irreligious than dishonest. If I choose between an honest irreligious person and a dishonest and violent religious man, By religious I mean a holder of a particular faith.
I choose to be an atheist rather than a fundamentalist.
I hold strongly that Dharma is necessary. Dharma in Buddhism and in the Vedic society is a little different.
If by dharma you mean law, I see nothing wrong with it.
you are very right to say my dear that quran is a great source of wisdom. i like to clear one point here. the source of all religion was one. that is Lord Himself. all moral laws which we have at this time are from Lord through religions. you can find some resemblance regarding moral in different scriptures. the knoweldge was started from Adam.... its completed at Muhammad. in between we can see two major religions that is jews and christians. its long story of prophets. in short all knowledge which was being given partially to different prophets , was gathered in Quran. in the begining human was not so able to have all the knowledge at once. so was given partially to every prophet to teach his nation.
after Ibrahim who has two children ishaq and ismail. a chain is started from one child. from him we saw bni israil. all prophets except Muhammad were sent in this nation. but they proved most prejidce and ignorant nation as they specified God only for them. they took Him as some tribes' head. they are not ready to share God with others. when moses brought them from the egypt we seethere were many miracles which were enough at that time to prove the existance of Lord who is the creator of all universes. at that time moses went on mountain to talk with Lord , on his back jews saw other people having idols so they made one of cow. Moses said" O Lord give me shelter from my ignorant nation" after Moses , jesus Chirst came from bni israil, jews were not willing to accept his supermacy coz jews were in power. jesus christ's birth and death and in between there are so many miracles to show a prejudice nation that Lord can do every thing. He is the creator of causes. same crime committed by jews was revised by christians when Muhammad came. Muhammad came from the other son of ibrahim. christians denied to accept Him. jews deny jesus christ and Muhammad. they were more against Muhammad. coz they were proudier to say that we are the best nation as we have serial of prophets. due to their proud Lord sent Muhammad from the 2nd son of Ibrahim.
Lord said in quran He didnt destroy any nation until He sent messengers among them and told them about forbidden things. so by this verse i guess budha was also a messenger, Raam of hindu was also a messenger i think so as i found good teachings which they gave. after their death , generations after generation people made them god. christians and hindus did the same crime. chiristian and jews did larger crime i think they gave families to Lord. gave him wife and childrens!!. but i like to clear that He is pure from all these nonsense. moreover jews and christians changed the words of Lord which were given to Moses and jesus christ. you can find moral and some teachings may b as it is but what is the use to get knowledge from doubted one which are corrupted by human. So Lord said in quran that He will protect each word of Quran Himself. its proved after 1400 years passed. and it will till dooms day. Lord is one , source of wisdom is one. i found prejudice in christians and jews's heart for Muhammad. untill they wash this they cant get the way.
Dear Wilson! its very easy to say without reading that there are contradiction in each book. but Lord said if these verses are from any human'mind than u can find a lot of contradictions. but as it is from Lord ( All wise) so you cant find any contradiction/mistake/error./
Last edited by usman.khawar; 09-19-2011 at 02:07 PM.
I actually have to agree with G L Wilson on this. While books are a great source of knowledge they are not a substitute for living. They may teach us how to live (or how not to) but won't live for us. Remember "there's more to life than books you know, but not much more!"explain what u wanna to say .. are you saying getting knowlegde from books is foolishness ???
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