God and all

[G L Wilson]

Name it whatever you may but the truth is that something, someone higher in power and control rules this universe!

Prove it.

[mazHur]

Prove it.

You are only returning my question which I asked you first!

Billions of believers in God is ample proof that He exists.
No control over one's fate is yet another proof that 'man proposes God disposes'.
Yet another proof of His being is that no man could change the world!!

[cl154576]

You are only returning my question which I asked you first!

Billions of believers in God is ample proof that He exists.
No control over one's fate is yet another proof that 'man proposes God disposes'.
Yet another proof of His being is that no man could change the world!!

Conversely, billions of atheists is ample proof for the other side.

No man could change the world? But I think the conquerors of old changed the world plenty, as did the great thinkers in any field. Unless they were all puppets of God. In which case I want to kill the puppetmaster for making me a puppet.

Religion is neither--it's a tool, like a hammer or money, that can be used according to the character of the person wielding it. Good people use religion to make themselves better and help others. Bad people use it to bring themselves power and strength, usually by the numbers of the weak people they attract as followers.

It's funny--I don't believe in a God, but I still hate seeing Him blamed for things He had nothing to do with.

I am reminded of this –

The pleasure of hating, like a poisonous mineral, eats into the heart of religion, and turns it to ranking spleen and bigotry; it makes patriotism an excuse for carrying fire, pestilence, and famine into other lands: it leaves to virtue nothing but the spirit of censoriousness, and a narrow, jealous, inquisitorial watchfulness over the actions and motives of others. What have the different sects, creeds, doctrines in religion been but so many pretexts set up for men to wrangle, to quarrel, to tear one another in pieces about, like a target as a mark to shoot at? Does any one suppose that the love of country in an Englishman implies any friendly feeling or disposition to serve another bearing the same name? No, it means only hatred to the French or the inhabitants of any other country that we happen to be at war with for the time. Does the love of virtue denote any wish to discover or amend our own faults? No, but it atones for an obstinate adherence to our own vices by the most virulent intolerance to human frailties. This principle is of a most universal application. It extends to good as well as evil: if it makes us hate folly, it makes us no less dissatisfied with distinguished merit. If it inclines us to resent the wrongs of others, it impels us to be as impatient of their prosperity. We revenge injuries: we repay benefits with ingratitude. Even our strongest partialities and likings soon take this turn. "That which was luscious as locusts, anon becomes bitter as coloquintida;" and love and friendship melt in their own fires. We hate old friends: we hate old books: we hate old opinions; and at last we come to hate ourselves. G.K. Chesterton, "On the Pleasure of Hating"

It's not entirely true, but he makes a valid point.

[MarkBastable]

Billions of believers in God is ample proof that He exists.

Seriously, between you and me, do you really think that this is a logical proof?

[mazHur]

Seriously, between you and me, do you really think that this is a logical proof?

Deductive logic perhaps!!

Faith doesn't need logic; faith is a matter of heart.
If you used 'logic' you will never learn to Love!!

[cl154576]

If you used 'logic' you will never learn to Love!!

If that's the case, I'd rather keep my logic.

[MarkBastable]

Faith doesn't need logic; faith is a matter of heart.
If you used 'logic' you will never learn to Love!!

First, then, don't call it proof.

And, second, are you suggesting that I cannot love?

[cl154576]

Proof is logical, love is not. However, they are not mutually exclusive.

[Varenne Rodin]

Excellent series of posts today, cl.

[mazHur]

First, then, don't call it proof.

And, second, are you suggesting that I cannot love?

I am seeking an 'appointment' with God and as soon as Gabriel fixes it up I will let you know the 'proof'!

What is love?? It's faith in each other.
For example, Without faith no one would respect his parents; no one would leave his inheritance for the public. This is yet another 'proof' that something above all
makes one feel and do things as children act towards their parents and vice versa. You love your friends not because they are your blood relation but because you have 'faith' in them; you trust them. Love and trust are NOT discernible directly but through mutual acts. This is how God is held by faith.

Calling someone a 'logician' may sound good but calling one 'faithless' won't.
This cannot be without reason, some reason, some people are not inclined to believe.

Proof is logical, love is not. However, they are not mutually exclusive.

I already stated that 'proof' is a 'twist' of mind; love is above all positive emotions as well as mind.

Excellent series of posts today, cl.

I thought i must share this with you...

''SIMONE de Beauvoir, the French existentialist writer, was on the dot when she remarked, “If you live long enough, you’ll see that every victory turns into a defeat.”

A friend of mine remarked to it as follows:

''Sure - a woman knows this from experience - when the glamour rusts
away... See the latest B. Bardot's photo and compare that to the time
when she was victorious over all studs small and large..'''

Another friend commented on the quote as

''clearly not an optimist.''

Wonder who was right and who was on the right side of wrong???

[cl154576]

Excellent series of posts today, cl.

The master puppeteer's been pulling my strings more quickly of late, it seems.

[MarkBastable]

I am seeking an 'appointment' with God and as soon as Gabriel fixes it up I will let you know the 'proof'!

What is love?? It's faith in each other.
For example, Without faith no one would respect his parents; no one would leave his inheritance for the public. This is yet another 'proof' that something above all
makes one feel and do things as children act towards their parents and vice versa. You love your friends not because they are your blood relation but because you have 'faith' in them; you trust them. Love and trust are NOT discernible directly but through mutual acts. This is how God is held by faith.

Calling someone a 'logician' may sound good but calling one 'faithless' won't.
This cannot be without reason, some reason, some people are not inclined to believe.

I am not, I think, an unintelligent man but - what the **** does all that mean?

[cl154576]

I am not, I think, an unintelligent man but - what the **** does all that mean?

The beginning is to ridicule a "proof" of God's existence.
The middle is to define and provide examples of love, and trust, and state that they are inevitably bound with faith.
The ending says that calling someone "faithless" sounds bad.
The very end makes no sense. I think there's a typo; maybe mazHur intended

This cannot be without reason, but for some reason, some people are not inclined to believe.



Faith is necessary, of course. But faith has multiple definitions.

[mazHur]

I am not, I think, an unintelligent man but - what the **** does all that mean?

I don't know how intelligence matters in understanding a simple note...
It's either Mind (doubt) or Faith (solemn belief) that leads one to the left or the right. If someone drove on the left in the USA he would end up in eternity whereas if the same person drove his car on the left would safely reach his destination!! It is a matter of difference in time and space, not that either of the two are wrong. Similarly, if one sincerely believes in God, he atleast is 'driving' his 'car' in the right direction as dictated by time and space. On the contrary one who is 'driving' his 'car' in the wrong direction of time and space is liable to go astray or crash!

Nothing comes into existence without a creator. No one can say that inventions of modern times came up by themselves,; they didn't and are obliged to geniuses of the time!! This Universe came into existence because of a creator whom we call God. Things get toppled and ruined or meet good results not only because of human intelligence. Were that so all the intelligent people would be kings and queens of our time!!

During my small survey of human beings I have noticed that all of them
deny God because He did not answer their prayers or in simpler terms did not play to their tune. They are obviously frustrated and in their despair blame God for anything which goes wrong or against their prefixed notions and wishes. Consequently most of them are 'sufferers' and would smirk at the thought of God, Scriptures, Prophets and religions as a whole.

Believing or not-believing in God is of NO value to God. The point is that those who believe in Him possess ''faith' while the rest restrict their 'faith'
to empirical results (such as many scientists and so-called thinkers). In both cases Faith is always there. In the former case Faith is as sweet as honey whereas In the latter case it is like bitter sweet aspartame!

[MarkBastable]

I don't know how intelligence matters in understanding a simple note...
It's either Mind (doubt) or Faith (solemn belief) that leads one to the left or the right. If someone drove on the left in the USA he would end up in eternity whereas if the same person drove his car on the left would safely reach his destination!! It is a matter of difference in time and space, not that either of the two are wrong. Similarly, if one sincerely believes in God, he atleast is 'driving' his 'car' in the right direction as dictated by time and space. On the contrary one who is 'driving' his 'car' in the wrong direction of time and space is liable to go astray or crash!

Nothing comes into existence without a creator. No one can say that inventions of modern times came up by themselves,; they didn't and are obliged to geniuses of the time!! This Universe came into existence because of a creator whom we call God. Things get toppled and ruined or meet good results not only because of human intelligence. Were that so all the intelligent people would be kings and queens of our time!!

During my small survey of human beings I have noticed that all of them
deny God because He did not answer their prayers or in simpler terms did not play to their tune. They are obviously frustrated and in their despair blame God for anything which goes wrong or against their prefixed notions and wishes. Consequently most of them are 'sufferers' and would smirk at the thought of God, Scriptures, Prophets and religions as a whole.

Believing or not-believing in God is of NO value to God. The point is that those who believe in Him possess ''faith' while the rest restrict their 'faith'
to empirical results (such as many scientists and so-called thinkers). In both cases Faith is always there. In the former case Faith is as sweet as honey whereas In the latter case it is like bitter sweet aspartame!

I despair. And not for myself.

But I agree with you on one point. If God exists, he will do so whether I believe in him or not. So I don't think it matters much to him that he has my approval.