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    Quote Originally Posted by jocky View Post
    Thank you for taking the time to reply I appreciate that. Buddha's last words were similar to the point another literary giant made, by that I mean Shakespeare when he gave Polonius the line " to your own self be true "

    My problem is simply this karma, relgion, and so on only refers to grown up sentient human beings. What happens to the children who die of starvation, the insane, the uneducated and all the rest who, without torturing the statisics, make up the majority of mankind ?
    In the texts it talks of the Precious Human Life which is very rare - considering the multitudes of beings that there are on this planet, different realms and according to the teachings, different worlds.

    We have a precious human life where we can live with a minimum of suffering and have the leisure to pursue a better life/ conditions/ spirituality. One of the reasons that it is precious is that so much can be achieved by one human through helping others etc etc. If you are starving, have mental problems or live unde a dictatorship - these aren't possible.

    The Karma that results in a Precious Human Life depends upon the virtuousness of the being in the previous life/ lives ripening. The conditions are created by the being. The conditions required are the good human qualities. Otherwise, with no preparation it may be that a being ends up in one of the other realms or in a human life where condtions are bad due to a ripening of negative karma.

    It seems to explain why it is that people can go bad, and do awful things and seem to be successful in one life. The conditions where they can wield power have been created - the results of what they do with that are stored up then, and unless there is purification, they will get a karmic result from that.

    These are generalities. The Buddha said that an individual's karma is very complex, and it is difficult to draw conclusions about a person from what we see. So if we see a disabled person, we cannot come to the conclusin that in their previous life they were a bad person and deserve their punishment which is what Glen Hoddle implied before he was ejected from the England Manager post. Karma is accumulated from many lives previous.

    You also can't say that the person in this life did bad things in a previous life. there is a relationship - but they are not the same personality/ individual because that part of a person - their character and individuality - is something that is impermanent, (though in our deluded view we consider it to be permanent). The teachings say that all beings want happiness, but are often deluded into thinking certain courses of action will bring it to them. In the short term it might - but in the long run suffering results from their actions.

    What karma is not is a simple cause and effect from life to life, just as a being is related but different when they are reincarnated. reincarnation is certainly not the the same as that promoted by some westerners when the yclaim to be important people in the past. For a start it wasn't them on the individual/ personality level.

    I hope that answers your question a bit Jocky. If you get me started I just go on and on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC View Post
    I agree with what you've said here. Usually those who claim to be atheists (and it's demonstrated here at this site) tend not only to have a lack of belief, but they are adamant to point out that anyone who DOES belief must be an idiot.
    Yes, because atheists never get any flack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vonny View Post
    But you called someone an idiot on the anonymous thread. It said "YOU are an idiot." Now, there must have been hundreds of people who wondered if that was intended for them. I'll admit I was one of them.

    If I were you and people called me, or even my buddies - an idiot - I'd feel that I had it coming.

    I'm not saying this to be demeaning or offensive. Just wishing I could bring a little awareness. I'd like a cuddle too!
    I'm sorry, but I use the Anonymous Thread in jest....because of what it is...it's an Anonymous thread. It has often been used for jesting. Sometimes it's just to relieve frustrations. I would hope that people would not use the thread for paranoia.

    However, I have had some people deliberately direct implications (if not explicit comments) at me for the "idiocy of believing in God". There have even been threads started to ridicule me because I believe in certain Biblical accounts. I'm NOT saying that ALL atheists do this, but there is a large percentage that do.
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    It is in the perversity of dreams that a religious person gives meaning to life. It is a fiction with no ending, a nightmare in actuality.

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    I'm happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulclem View Post
    I'm happy.
    I'm sure you are!

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    I think something that religious and non-religious people can agree on is that good tasting food tastes good. Isn't that so nice?

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    It is.

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    What human being doesn't mind creating havoc to be happy? As Nietzsche says, "To forget one's purpose is the commonest form of stupidity." Religious people have no purpose in life other than self-destruction. Religion is the faith of nihilism.

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    Ah, it's good to see this thread is still being productive and full of such profound wisdom from the usual suspects.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paulclem View Post
    I'm happy.
    Only in a person's most perverse dreams could they possibly want to be happy. Happiness is merely a fiction, in actuality a nightmare. Only weirdoes want to be happy.
    "You understand well enough what slavery is, but freedom you have never experienced, so you do not know if it tastes sweet or bitter. If you ever did come to experience it, you would advise us to fight for it not with spears only, but with axes too." - Herodotus

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    Quote Originally Posted by G L Wilson View Post
    What human being doesn't mind creating havoc to be happy? As Nietzsche says, "To forget one's purpose is the commonest form of stupidity." Religious people have no purpose in life other than self-destruction. Religion is the faith of nihilism.
    I have NO desire to create havoc just to support my own happiness. That is called selfishness. I have great purpose in life. If you want to generalize yourself, do so, but leave the rest of the world out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC View Post
    I have NO desire to create havoc just to support my own happiness. That is called selfishness.
    Jesus didn't jest, He wept.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vonny View Post
    Jesus didn't jest, He wept.
    Who was jesting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC View Post
    Who was jesting?

    John 11:35

    Jesus wept

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vonny View Post
    John 11:35

    Jesus wept
    Yes, I am familiar with the account. He wept because His dear friend Lazarus had died. But what does that have to do with jesting?
    Les Miserables,
    Volume 1, Fifth Book, Chapter 3
    Remember this, my friends: there are no such things as bad plants or bad men. There are only bad cultivators.

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