Man has never been unequal to angels or God. What man really suffers is non-realization of his potentials or power. We all are gods, small universes and our delusional minds divide and split up us allOriginally Posted by G L Wilson
Man has never been unequal to angels or God. What man really suffers is non-realization of his potentials or power. We all are gods, small universes and our delusional minds divide and split up us all
For all my blasphemy, at least I am not guilty of heresy.
Is this sarcasm or what?
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your question is does sufi contradict with the basic rules n orders of islam( shariat)?
A muslim saint was asked once to show some miracle( kramat) , he said " did u see me doing anything against shariat ? " He said no. sufi replied " isnt a miracle?
some socalled sufis differentiate between shariat and tariqat (the path, the way). actually tariqat means sincerity. in arabic language it is used for that pillar which is stood in the center of the camp. the whole camp rely on it. so basically if you do anything of shariat with sincerity(doing anything only for Lord) its called tariqat. there is no contradiction btw sufis acts and shariat. He does everything within the limits of shariat. he cant say that prayers are not necesary etc. shariat means those things which are neccessary for a path for a journey. so he is intellectual actually, he understands if he does anything against shariat then it'll be not profitable for him rather it would b resulted in some loss.
Balanceyes ofcourse his all effort is to gain the ultimate balance. if u read hadith book (sai muslim) you will see there are around 8 hadith for this truth. Nabi Pak (Peace b upon Him) said , gain the balance if you cant then try to keep closer with it. here you can see a beautiful thought that balance is not the name of any permanent thing. it can b lower or exceed.
How? well if we see around mostly we see two groups quarelling with each other. one said that knowledge is everything. 2nd says action is every thing. both have arguments. but if one have only knowledge but not practial then its not knowledge. knowledge and practice are adjacent with each other. and about those who are practical without knowledge God says they are worst creations who follow His verses without consideration without understanding. A hadith says a practial (ibadat) without knoweldge is like a donkey of a well, he moves but never go ahead from his starting point. so people who understands try to keep balance btween what one say and what one do.
but sufi try to keep balance in 3rd place as well. that is thoughts. what if a person speak right do right but not right in his inner?? so sufi ist of all try to clean his inner. he try to trim bad things of his self.
hope for the question for more clarification.
if a man do what His Lord asked him to do then his grade is more then an angel. if he does'nt then his rank is below from the beast.
Lord says i created self with equal percentage. 50% good and 50% percent bad. then He down self lower towrds bad. those who trim the self keep it up towards goodness are great people and those who dont are the opposites.
couldnt not udnerstand ur question " is a man to reason or hold to fantasies all his life"
may b u asked a man of reason who hold his fantasies all his life??
there is a dajjal in the inner who thinks himself as god.
Last edited by usman.khawar; 08-23-2011 at 08:13 AM.
mr.Khawar what are the differences points between sufis and other islamic parties?
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I have already explained the differences in question answer session in my teacher words. But here your one word need some explanation and i'll just put n quote a single verse about Islamic parties. Lord says to prophet Muhammad (PBUH) “As for those who divide their religion and break up into parties(sects, groups etc) , you are not from among them(Thou hast no part in them in the least): their affairs is with Allah, He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did" chapter 6 inaam, verse 159.
At another place its like that every sect is happy only for what it has the peice of religion and Allah will ask them in the end why did they divide religion. Islam have a lot of good things. When some people think that what they have learnt is better than the other, this is very reason which proceeds towards making sects or parties. They, in prejudice , try to blames others to promote their ideas. But allah clearly has told prophet and those who like to walk on the footsteps of their prophet that “As for those who divide their religion and break up into parties(sects, groups etc) , you are not from among them(Thou hast no part in them in the least): their affairs is with Allah, He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did”.. so if my prophet is not among parties so I m not as well..
So I should take your question with little change (Islamic parties should b islam only). And I have explained already that sufi does what he does in the limits of shariat. if u need more explanation read question no 4 and 6
Last edited by usman.khawar; 08-22-2011 at 09:22 AM.
Is the mystic not a madman?
madman for what ? for giving up worldy things? or coz he gives preference to the next world upon this one and give preference to Lord upon next world? or recogonizing n controlling his self to recogonize the Lord?
I think he is the most intellectual person and have a the best bussiness mind.
m not clear what is in ur mind G L about the madness.
Wasn't it a madman who craved after Layla?
who is layla (in ur question) ?plz clarify more....
u do not answer me in specific. i asked u about the different points between this mathhab and any other islamic mathhab.
what makes sufi different from other islamic parties?
i do not ask about islamic parties in general?
i hope that u understand me
by the way the verse that u mentioned does not refer to islamic parties.plz cheak any islamic reference to know the explanation of it..
Who will BELL the cat?
Moving throughout your life without being effected due to all of your focus being centered on "God" is similar to grace, but grace doesn't even need a god. I would choose grace over mysticism. To say that God is an answer to everything, and that he provides everything, is not intellectual. I understand the deep need for you to think that it is, but if you are so very mystic, why not admit to letting go of logic? Shunning it, in fact.
If what you are doing gives you peace, and does not harm others, I am happy for you.
Literature, darling, literature. Layla is the beloved of Majnun, the Madman. In the story, Layla and Majnun, he is godlike, an erotic ascetic.
Last edited by G L Wilson; 08-24-2011 at 05:47 PM.
i know , sir, but i say( in your question)?
do u mean someone else (not Qais)?
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I mean the Majnun of legend. Qays' story is too sad.
well... if u read my answers i have given the asnwers.. u asked me about sufi mthaab and islamic parties differences.. n i told u that sufi dont have anyother religion rather, he encompass himself within the boundries of what islam has explained/rules n regulations. i also said that every religion is basically a path towards Lord. about previous religions (which were also from the same lord) Lord said that those religion's scriptures have been corrupted by human mixing. and knowledge has been completed at islam.who is layla (in ur question) ?plz clarify more....
u do not answer me in specific. i asked u about the different points between this mathhab and any other islamic mathhab.
what makes sufi different from other islamic parties?
i do not ask about islamic parties in general?
i hope that u understand me
by the way the verse that u mentioned does not refer to islamic parties.plz cheak any islamic reference to know the explanation of it..
i also gave an example of a sufi saint if u read it again.
i quoted that verse to deny all islamic parties. these parties actually divided the the good things of islam. when knowledge increases a person move from party to be muslim. when knoweldge increases continuously person move from muslim to momin( person having faith/beleive in heart as well) .. if i compare that i can say that sufi is equivalent to momin.. so i think u can now understand that why i quoted that verse to deny islamic parties..
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