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    Creation is a junk theory. There is no physical evidence to support it. Evolution has tons of bones and remains layered in the surface of the earth over millions of years, with obvious genetic links and subtle changes to the forms. No one has physical evidence of a creator. It stands to reason that if a deity created the physical world, he should be able to interact with it physically, but he has left zero physical evidence of himself. The stories of him speaking to people sound like lunacy and con jobs. It would be nothing but sick brainwashing to teach it to kids in schools. Evolution doesn't have anything to do with religious theory anyway. It's much more like the theory of gravity, or the theory of the sun. The theory of tides. The theory that the moon influences the tides. These are all standing theories because they are testable, they are backed up by physical evidence, and they cannot be disproven. Creation theory can't be tested, and there is zero evidence. It cannot be evaluated by science, or experienced in the physical world, so it's like the theory of unicorns. Why not teach the children that unicorns and dragons made babies, then turned those babies into humans with magic? Let's throw everything at these poor children and watch them go crazy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta40 View Post
    I don't see why the education system can't cover the theory of evolution AND the theory of creation. As I have said before, depsite our beliefs, the history of humankind has always had God(s) and puzzled endlessly about science. Why hide it?
    Because Creationism isn't a science. Religion does have a place in the education curriculum in history classes, however.
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    I agree that religion is part of history. Jesus Christ was touched on in the history books at my elementary school. More information than what was given, for most historical figures, would eventually need to be taught in comprehensive elective college courses and, in fact, it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkshadow03 View Post
    Because Creationism isn't a science. Religion does have a place in the education curriculum in history classes, however.
    I'm sorry, but evolution isn't science either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC View Post
    I'm sorry, but evolution isn't science either.
    If you say so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkshadow03 View Post
    Because Creationism isn't a science. Religion does have a place in the education curriculum in history classes, however.
    Based on history there is a theory of creation. If you want to split hairs on whether or not it comes under the science curriculum or history curriculum then go ahead. My point is that the theory of creation is NOT taught at schools, including history. Anything containing the R word is lightly touched upon at best. I'm referring mainly to government schools of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta40 View Post
    Based on history there is a theory of creation. If you want to split hairs on whether or not it comes under the science curriculum or history curriculum then go ahead. My point is that the theory of creation is NOT taught at schools, including history. Anything containing the R word is lightly touched upon at best. I'm referring mainly to government schools of course.
    I was agreeing with you. I don't think the theory of creation should be taught in public schools at all, except perhaps in a literature class on mythology or Creation Narratives or whatever.

    During history classes, however, when you read a chapter about the Ancient Near East and Ancient Israel, there should be discussion about Jews and Jewish belief. When you read the chapter on Arabia and the founding of Islam, it should include discussion about the basic beliefs of Islam. Ditto Christianity during the Roman Era. Etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drkshadow03 View Post
    If you say so.
    You show me where we have observed ANYTHING evolving into something different. Because that is what science is about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cl154576 View Post
    I agree with you that fanaticism can be very dangerous, and I feel sorry that your situation is like that. Is most of America really like that? It scares me ... The area I live in is full of atheist immigrants who use churches as places for socializing.
    From my experience, it is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC View Post
    You show me where we have observed ANYTHING evolving into something different. Because that is what science is about.
    If you're talking about in real time, tadpoles turn into frogs, sperm turn into humans, caterpillars change into butterflies. This is silly, though. Check out all of the physical defense mechanisms organisms developed after a migration to a new environment. Things like that take time, but there is still clear and obvious evidence. Science is not simply about things changing into other things, I don't know where you get that. You need a refresher on scientific method, if you ever learned about it. This type of ignorance is the "extremism" that has the rational world concerned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delta40 View Post
    Based on history there is a theory of creation. If you want to split hairs on whether or not it comes under the science curriculum or history curriculum then go ahead. My point is that the theory of creation is NOT taught at schools, including history. Anything containing the R word is lightly touched upon at best. I'm referring mainly to government schools of course.
    This is the stuff that scares me, that people want children to be subjected to courses instructing them into mass delusion. That you would want this fairy tale preached in schools is just abhorrent. I still have the freedom to not have that done to my family. When will Christians stop trying to force atheists to join the cult? You can believe in your invisible God, don't try to take others with you if they don't want to go. Don't hate people so much for considering other options and seeking more plausible truths. Please?

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    What meaning do religious people get from life? Nothing, absolutely nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varenne Rodin View Post
    If you're talking about in real time, tadpoles turn into frogs, sperm turn into humans, caterpillars change into butterflies. This is silly, though. Check out all of the physical defense mechanisms organisms developed after a migration to a new environment. Things like that take time, but there is still clear and obvious evidence. Science is not simply about things changing into other things, I don't know where you get that. You need a refresher on scientific method, if you ever learned about it. This type of ignorance is the "extremism" that has the rational world concerned.
    I'm sorry....that is not evolution...that is reproductive creation.
    No...I mean show me where something like a monkey turns into a man. That education that you think others need, maybe be applicable to yourself as well. (and no....that is not a personal attack)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC View Post
    I'm sorry....that is not evolution...that is reproductive creation.
    No...I mean show me where something like a monkey turns into a man. That education that you think others need, maybe be applicable to yourself as well. (and no....that is not a personal attack)
    What you are looking for is magic, not science. Science doesn't deal in miracles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC View Post
    I'm sorry....that is not evolution...that is reproductive creation.
    No...I mean show me where something like a monkey turns into a man. That education that you think others need, maybe be applicable to yourself as well. (and no....that is not a personal attack)
    You might as well have said to me, "That's not evolution...that's flibba dabba jib sloth purple meeting sprocket is face." I'm trying not to laugh about this, because you're obviously sensitive and I don't wish to hurt your feelings. This is a very strange conversation. I wish you good luck on your war against atheism, science, and education. I hope smacky dacky suntan rabbit toaster chill wrangler comes through for you, and that you can party together in hopscotch monkey bean level 37 for time repulse of not back for. Peace.

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