So - let's think this through - leukaemia is a bad thing made out of good things. How about leprosy? It's an entity in its own right - a bacterium. A creature like a butterfly or a peacock. Did God create that?Originally Posted by blithe spirit
So - let's think this through - leukaemia is a bad thing made out of good things. How about leprosy? It's an entity in its own right - a bacterium. A creature like a butterfly or a peacock. Did God create that?
Last edited by MarkBastable; 07-13-2011 at 07:51 AM.
Yep. If God can see the future then he knew the Fall of Man would occur and would, in fact, know every single person who was destined to go to Hell.
This is only the beginning of the freaky extrapolations one gets by assuming an all-powerful, all-seeing God.
If God already knows who is going to heaven and who is going to hell, he'd be arbitrarily creating some people who would be destined for paradise and some who'd be destined for eternal suffering.
Furthermore, what's the point of creating children and then having them die right away, such as in the case of a miscarriage? In these cases the people do not get the opportunity to choose right over wrong or learn any lessons. God knew they'd be created and destroyed right away without a chance at life so why not prevent it? If they go to Hell that's bull**** because they never had a chance, and if they go to heaven that's bull**** because they got a free pass.
I could go on and on like this just with omniscience. Throw in omnipotence and one could devote their life to finding oddities in the concept of God.
God is the creator, good and bad. if u think and reconsider, that if there is only bad everywhere than this earth cannot live for a single month only. i wrote month he he gave long time. and if there is only good everywhere!! than what? is there any growth of mind will be possible ? lets think again. like everything is good everywhere than what is the meaning to create mind? anyother reason to create human than ?
you people are playing with each other and passing time ? come on. lets solve the basic question. is there any God exist or not ? if not than whats the argement? not childish one like i prayed him to give me this or that He didnt give me so there is no God. my neihbors are very good people their son died , there is no God.
is there anyone we can see whose ist priority is to solve the basic question ist. to find the truth? who like scientist passed at least 12 years to find the biggest question ? who read all holy books without prejudice including Quran and life of prophets? and finally he said there is no God.
Last edited by usman.khawar; 07-12-2011 at 02:14 PM.
ist of all dear take a deep breath n relax. the bigest mistake is to finzalize things and close the door of the mind for further knowledge. the best mind i think is one who listen or read, make conclusion and than start considering again on the conclusions till his death.
i was a small n little teacher. in my classes there were many students. being a small, non perfect , having very low knowledge i can guess about who will pass the exam and who will not. than why not give the chance to Lord who created everything? Actually He gave the chance.
you are worried about the children of miscarriage but not about yours ?
I'm not worried about anybody. I'm just giving one example of how God's psychic abilities don't fit in with the idea of free will.ist of all dear take a deep breath n relax. the bigest mistake is to finzalize things and close the door of the mind for further knowledge. the best mind i think is one who listen or read, make conclusion and than start considering again on the conclusions till his death.
i was a small n little teacher. in my classes there were many students. being a small, non perfect , having very low knowledge i can guess about who will pass the exam and who will not. than why not give the chance to Lord who created everything? Actually He gave the chance.
you are worried about the children of miscarriage but not about yours ?
And there's a difference between a "small n little" teacher who can guess which of his students will pass and fail a test and God KNOWING who will be saved and who won't due to his ability to SEE THE FUTURE.
You can't just fail students because you'd get fired. God has no one to answer to though. If he already knows who's going to sin and who won't, and sinning is the criteria by which we are judged, then our individual fates were sealed from the beginning of time (assuming God does not change his mind [why would he?]).
allowance of an action is not the same as causing an action.
"The mind is its own place, and in itself
Can make a Heav’n of Hell, a Hell of Heav’n"
Satan does everything wrong, poor Satan.
Charles Fort, the paranormalist, had God down as a kind of Cosmic Joker. I like that idea. A UFO here, a bigfoot there, a flood here, a plague there. What a gas our creator is - ever tweaking the code.
The Devil is a twerp apprentice to God in my book. He seeks fame for himself above all else, even sense.
What about wars? Are we allowed to kill other human beings in the name of God? Are we allowed to fight in God's name?
Delta, you have no soul.
Isn't belief dangerous especially when you apply it to the whole human race when it is not backed up by proof?
Last edited by thebagman; 07-12-2011 at 09:14 PM.
What? Delta has no soul? She has more soul than most of us around here? What do you know of soul? Tell me I am wrong, Delta? LOL!
Is your God a vengeful one?
God is not vengeful, he is misunderstood.
how is he misunderstood?
Short answer: it is exactly the same if you knew the action would be performed when you created the being that ultimately performed it. In the case of an omniscient and omnipotent god, this is 100% of the time.
A longer answer with examples: The word "allowance" is meaningless in this context. For an omniscient and omnipotent god the creation of an entity can only mean the willing into existence of everything it will ever be and do, since this god at the moment of the entity's creation knows everything it will ever be and do. What would you say to a bomber who builds a bomb, sets its timer, places it in a subway station, stands by as 100 people are killed in its explosion and then claims he didn't cause the deaths but merely allowed them? This is the exact situation this god is in every time it creates a killer—because it always knows with utter certainty that it is about to create a killer and it always knows who will be killed as the result of creating it. There is no possibility of another outcome. It is a moral and factual certainty.
The obvious and only possible conclusion: An omnipotent and omniscient god is morally responsible for every action performed by any entity it creates.
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