If those are reasons to believe in God, you can hardly be surprised when those of us who haven't had those experiences don't. In fact, I'd be interested to know whether you believed in God before you had those experiences, or whether you had them and then came to believe in God.Originally Posted by caddy_caddy
I know it's highly subjective Haribol , not the objective reality most of us are looking for ; but why don't we look within not without?
Before that I'm taught that there is God but only through my own experiences that I "believed" in God.
Two different uses of 'believe' here.
a) I believe in an afterlife. (I consider such a thing exists)
b) I believe in my wife. (I consider that I can depend on her.)
So, did you believe in God in sense (a) before you had those experiences?
That's a very nice way of describing love as being necessary before something can really exist for someone. I hadn't thought of it like that before.
Most of the time we are unaware, except vaguely, of what is around us. Only when we are patient enough to pay attention do we really start seeing. And that patience is a kind of love if I am following what you are saying.
I also agree with your first sentence.
You cannot depend on something that doesn't exist Mark. It's both meaning .
What does matter if something exists or not if it has no value to me? To me it makes no difference.That's a very nice way of describing love as being necessary before something can really exist for someone. I hadn't thought of it like that before.
Most of the time we are unaware, except vaguely, of what is around us. Only when we are patient enough to pay attention do we really start seeing. And that patience is a kind of love if I am following what you are saying.
I also agree with your first sentence.
Shall I consider those whom I love and are out of the reach of my senses a non-existent beings and those who are around me but don't have any value to me existent beings? Why is it so?
Last edited by caddy_caddy; 06-05-2011 at 10:17 AM.
Sometimes I hear people speak of a loving god
Sometime I hear people say they have the fear of god within them
I have to ask myself - Why would anyone have fear of a loving god ?
We should fear the most those whom we love the most; That's because we are defenseless face of them.
Seems like an unnecessary, uneasy, steepsided path.
I'm not asking a question about belief. I'm asking a question about the sequence of events.
Did you believe God existed before you had the experiences you described in your list?
I answered you in the previous post but u didn't notice it.
At first it was not a belief in God , no . I can't call it a belief. It was an idea of a God, that there is a God but later on I believed in Him.
Are u satisfied?
There is an Arabic verse that says : Who fears to climb the high mountains , spends all his life among holes.
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Last edited by caddy_caddy; 06-05-2011 at 02:28 PM.
I'm not looking for satisfaction. I'm hoping to understand.
So - you didn't believe in God when you first had these experiences of him. It was the build-up of these experiences that caused you to believe in him.
The first time though, when you didn't entirely believe he existed, and one of those things you listed took place, what happened?
Last edited by MarkBastable; 06-05-2011 at 02:30 PM.
The first time though, when you didn't entirely believe he existed, what happened?
I was lost and feel that I'm so lonely and weak.When I believed in Him and that he really exists ,when I feel lonely and very weak , there is avoice within me that tells me ,you are not alone there is God ,and if you are weak and lost God could support you .
Fair enough. He's never done that to me. When he does, I'll give it some thought.
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then allow me to ask u , it's my turn now ; is it because he didn't do such a thing to u that you don't love him ?
No - he might do something like that and I might still not love him. But I might at least believe in him. As it is, I have no experience of him so there's nothing to think about, any more than I think about, for instance, cold fire or time travel.
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