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Imagine that your familyname is not very popular with the society. You speak the language of that particular country where you live and were born but your familyname clearly indicates that you are not a native. So how connected are you to your legacy? Would you change your name/familyname or not?
What do you mean by 'not very popular'?
If the family name JUST indicates that you are not a native i don't really see the problem, i like unusual names so to speak ........
But if the name is reminiscent of something/ someone that makes you feel ashamed or people are rude (which is pretty stupid) then maybe ....... it's your choice, and if it makes you feel better why not?
They have the Power of Description and we succumb to it...
Yes I had problem with my name - thus when I grew up I have changed it. And I am very happy for it :-)
Now I have the Power of Description and others succumb to it :-)
I'll specify....the natives don't like you being there. Although you were born there, lived there all your life, obey the laws, speak the language--you are of another nationality and your name indicates that. There. I hope that is more clear! :D
It's just not fair, you belong there as much as they do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demona
Changing your name just to hide your true nationality is not something people should be forced to do.
It depends what you really want, what is more important to you because i know it can be difficult......
Racism is present regardless of how unfair or irrational...so there is a justification for a name change, just not one with good implications.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moira
but for example if my familay name was crapeater or crapistehsexy I would consider changeing my name :D
...or if my family name was mussolini or hitler...I would probably consider changing it too.
ok.. what if you change your name to fit in.. what if people somehow find out you are an immigrant or descendant of immigrants, anyway? will your name make any difference then? they will still discriminate against you and be even more suspicious because you have changed your name. they will think you are working under cover to infiltrate their society.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demona
plus, if people don't like/accept you the way you are, would it really help to change your name? if they like you afer you change it, would it be really "you" they like or would it be an illusion?
having said that, I suppose it's easier to preach than to live what I said.
would you mind telling us what country you live in?
i think i get what you mean Demona. I'm Irish, i've been born and raised in Ireland, I've learned the native language even though 95% of the country speak English as it's first language, but my sirname is British. A lot of people in Ireland Have Britiah Sirnames because of the Plantations, but some people, a small minority in the south, even today will call you a Proddy Brit because of your sirname.(i'm actually a catholic) I've even heard someone say that I'd polute their bloodline because there is British blood in me. But the thing is this... I'm sure a majority of the Irish Population have English blood in them, we were occupied by the british for 800 years for this not to be possible. Most of my Ancestors have been here for four, five hundred years, and some of my ancestry is Irish. Does that not mean that i have the right to call myself Irish, regardless of my name? And i shouldnt have to change it to the Irish Nic AnRoai.
At the end of the day i'm irish. And nobody will ever make me feel any different.
erhem, cough cough... surname is spelled with a "u", it's not the same as Sir and Madam :)
heheheh, sorry to be such a nitpick :)
I knew it was wrong1 I was just too lazy to correct it!:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepyWitch
Demona, it's hard to give an opinion without knowing what the ramifications are. If it's only a certain uncomfortable feeling then I would recommend you bear it out. Personal pride in one's heritage counts for something; it's your identity. If there are physical, perhaps even violent, ramifications, then it might be prudent to change one's name. But for me it would have to be that serious a ramification to change. My parents were immigrants to the US, and while I'm hardly the only person of Italian ethnicity in the US I can't say it's affected me in anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demona
My fathers side of the family first came to Scotland from what is now the Czech Republic in the mid/late 1800's. During the first world war, a section of the family changed their name from Hesse to White. This was also around the same time the royal family changed their name from saxe-coburg to windsor.
in other words, you "are" a fellow Czech-German? hehe, let's conspire to overthrow the Westminster goverment and wipe the English from the surface of the earth :D :D :D :D *JOKING*Quote:
Originally Posted by kilted exile
Demona, I don't know what it's like in your country, but in many countries everybody is something else than they seem to be.
of course in the U.S., everyone is an immigrant.
but even where I live (Germany), most people are half-this,a quarter-that and two eigths the other.
e.g. all of my friends, colleagues and bosses are German. if you saw them, you'd think they are typical Germans.
but when you look at their ancestors
1 is a quarter French, and an eights unknown (probably Moroccon, although she doesn't look a single bit like you imagine your "typical" Morrocon)
1 is half Croatian
lots are half Polish, half Czech, a quarter Russian, a quarter unknown
1 is one sixteenth/ 32th or whatever English
...
I dunno if this helps.. but chances are that those who discriminate you are not 100% "pure" <NAME OF COUNTRY>, either
My natural instinct would be to stick to my heritage. I'm very proud of my family and I also enjoy going against the grain, so I would say I'd probably keep my name, but i really don't know what it's like to be in that situation. So there's really no way for me to know whether I'd keep my name or not.
My family (mother's side) has done that already and for the reasons you descride. They came from Italy more than 100 years ago and they resided in a greek island (Kefalonia). So they slightly changed the italian surname in order to look like a greek surname. That's why my mom's surname doesn't mean anything in greek (all regular greek surnames mean something..for instance my dad's surname means "the one who brings victory" roughly translated).
Hello to all once again :wave:
Thank you very much for your responces and opinions and stories of your families. This is all very interesting and valuable. :thumbs_up:
I don't really think that things are that serious as to think that someone is trying to infiltrate a particular society. But some individuals might as well think that as well...heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepyWitch
I'm from Estonia. But I moved to Russia a couple of years ago and am very happy about it. The problem that I attempt to bring disscussion to is not so much about the attitude of the natives, which is absolutely their own business, but rather that of the minority to their own heritage. For example, my friends, who want their daughter to go to an estonian school don't really think it will be easy for her to socialize with the estonian kids if the girl will stick to her family name. You know....kids are kids and sometimes they are cruel...that's understandable... They want her to speak both languages well, Russian and Estonian (none of the parents is Estonian, but they both speak Estonian well) so dad speaks with her in Russian and mom in Estonian....with a 1.5 year old...just to be worth enough for the society...Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepyWitch
...another friend changed both her name and her surname...I find this all very very sad...
Personally, I would stick to my name. What I did actually. Changing one's surname won't make one an Estonian, would it? so why bother? On the other hand it`s not really pleasant to feel some sort of a second-rate citizen, experience dificulties at work, etc. I'm not saying that it is a mass situation. Of course not. But there are cases....
That's totally another story. :D Most of the people would probably agree with on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stanislaw
I'm glad to hear that people still value and are proud of their heritage. I think nowadays when so much mixing of nations goes on this is especially important. People tend to lose their identity and don't really think it's such a big problem...Quote:
Originally Posted by Virgil
You have a long family history. I wish I could track my family tree that far! :D anyways, I see your point and suport it in every way!Quote:
Originally Posted by Niamh
i see... well... so you've already made your decision you just want to be sure it's the right one?Quote:
Originally Posted by Demona
No, it's not that. I moved because of the changes in my personal life: I married a guy who lives in Russia :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SleepyWitch
But I would probably move somewhere anyway, now seeing how things go there...
hehe, I meant about your nameQuote:
Originally Posted by Demona
And didn't you take his surname?Quote:
Originally Posted by Demona
ah well, ok. I got it the other way then. But yes, in any case the decision is already made. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SleepyWitch
I did. But it is the tradition I don't want to ignore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Moira
Before the days of caller ID and the do not call list, an unusual last name such as the Norwegian last name of my mother's family was really useful in weeding out telemarketers and unother unwanted calls. If they couldn't pronounce it when they asked for Mr. or Mrs, then you knew the caller was up to no good.
Of course, they could have said kind of casually, "Is John there?" but then of course, I could have said "John Who?"
Also, I think unusual last names are good. Diversity is good. Although, I have to admit, I think in some cases, where there are bad relations between the country and the said's person country of origin, then it could be bad for the person. (someone probably already said that but I didn't read everything)