Why I Don't Believe In God

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Originally Posted by Theunderground

Nihilism is for wimps and failed idealists. I think most humans instinctively value genuine relationships with other people. Even if its only with ONE person. If you only genuinely love one person then life has infinite value. If you dont love anyone,make it your mission to find someone. Man is absolutley NOT a solitary animal. Nihilism exists because folks want to be totally independent. Sorry man is a dvinity,but he is also incurably social and gregarious. Man can try his utmost to be an island but he still needs his man friday.

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God said, "It is not good for man to be alone."

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Originally Posted by osho

You sound convincing to me

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More than that, please. I wouldn't want to make you static in any respect.

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

God said, "It is not good for man to be alone."

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hehe!! Excuse me Bien but which God, whose God is the question!!:)

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Originally Posted by cafolini

You are totally missing the point. Nihilism is a reaction to false values. In fact a lot of the time it is a reaction to individualistic forces that forbid the natural gregariousness of people.

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Could you please define Values??? Values seem to differ from place to place, culture to culture, society to society???

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Originally Posted by Theunderground

Nihilism is for wimps and failed idealists. I think most humans instinctively value genuine relationships with other people. Even if its only with ONE person. If you only genuinely love one person then life has infinite value. If you dont love anyone,make it your mission to find someone. Man is absolutley NOT a solitary animal. Nihilism exists because folks want to be totally independent. Sorry man is a dvinity,but he is also incurably social and gregarious. Man can try his utmost to be an island but he still needs his man friday.

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You do seem quite reasonable to me!!:)

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Originally Posted by mazHur

Could you please define Values??? Values seem to differ from place to place, culture to culture, society to society???

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Agree with that. So obviously you don't need me to define them if you know what you are saying.

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Originally Posted by cafolini

Agree with that. So obviously you don't need me to define them if you know what you are saying.

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Well, I thought you were perhaps referring to some values not known to me yet??

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

God said, "It is not good for man to be alone."

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Well, yeah - but at the time he was talking not about the species - Man - but about the gender - guys. And his solution was to make woman 'as a helper'. Which, from a post-feminist point of view, was a bit suspect. And from a chauvinist point of view was totally counterproductive.

So either way, like many of God's homilistic one-liners, that one's not quite as definitive as it might at first appear.

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Originally Posted by MarkBastable

Well, yeah - but at the time he was talking not about the species - Man - but about the gender - guys. And his solution was to make woman 'as a helper'. Which, from a post-feminist point of view, was a bit suspect. And from a chauvinist point of view was totally counterproductive.

So either way, like many of God's homilistic one-liners, that one's not quite as definitive as it might at first appear.

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I like God's reaction to Einstein. When the latter forbade God to play die, gambling increased 100% in Atlantic City.

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Originally Posted by mazHur

hehe!! Excuse me Bien but which God, whose God is the question!!:)

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Since I was quoting the Bible, that would apply to Jehovah. However, I'm uncertain how the Muslim's view the Old Testament passages in reference to the Creator and/or the creation account. Can you enlighten me concerning your perspective?

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Originally Posted by BienvenuJDC

Since I was quoting the Bible, that would apply to Jehovah. However, I'm uncertain how the Muslim's view the Old Testament passages in reference to the Creator and/or the creation account. Can you enlighten me concerning your perspective?

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Thanks, Bien. Most of the things listed in the Old Testament coincide with Islamic teachings.....especially Muslim belief is much closer to the Jews than Christians. Moral values etc contained in the OT form a considerable part of
Muslim teachings.....and are infact incorporated in the Quran. FYI to be a Muslim it is only necessary to believe in the Unity of God and Muhammad His last Messenger, other imperatives are belief in the angels, the day of judgement, all the holy Scriptures and all the Prophets earlier to the advent of Islam.
As for moral values those are precisely mentioned in the Quran. I would not like to refer to Traditions (said to be sayings of Prophet Muhammad) as the same are disputed among the Muslims themselves and tend to confuse.
Not restricted to religion, the nature of values differs from place to place, people to people due to socio-cultural factors. Even in the USA you will note this variation from state to state...and infact some ''values' have been incorporated in the Law.
Islam, as far as I know, came to change the then ''values' prevailing among the Arabian land (and their culture) . Of such 'values' you can
find good mention in many authentic history books by the western writers themselves. History of the Saracens by Amir Ali or works of Pickhall and Prof Arberry etc (perhaps Gibbon too) should be enough to elucidate further on the state of affairs (ie practices and values) prevailing among the ''pagan'' Arabs and elsewhere (the Huns and the Mongols etc).

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Originally Posted by Serena03

But a 'god-like force' doesn't necessarily mean a personal god or creator, it could refer to the laws of physics and nature behaving as 'god-like,' much like what Einstein interpreted.

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Yeah, that was how it seemed when she was talking about it in class one time but she wasn't allowed to go into detail.

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Originally Posted by osho

Your belief and disbelief in God has little to do with the existence or non existence, my friend. You are a dust swirling in the vortex of this infinity and your voice will be silenced by the thunder of the universe and before this cosmic existence you are almost nonexistent. Your hubris or sense of illustriousness will be submerged into infinite void.
There must be greater truths and your scientific discoveries and inventions cannot outreach them nor your experimental science and knowledge can outsmart or obscure some deeper realities.
Do not make a conclusion my friend; for we can never conclude. We have to go a long way and yet will be doing round and round in this great labyrinth and the mirage we call truth is not the truth in actuality, that is just a mirage or a shadow of the truth. The shadow is not the real.

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so my dear friend u r rejecting everything like religion n sceinces as well.. you are concluding infact conlcluded about above and asking me not to conclude anything? strange suggestion lolzz :) anyway its all upto you me dear whether u like to live with cloze eyes or live after solving the very ist basic question of ur existance or earth..

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Originally Posted by mazHur

Thanks, Bien. Most of the things listed in the Old Testament coincide with Islamic teachings.....especially Muslim belief is much closer to the Jews than Christians. Moral values etc contained in the OT form a considerable part of
Muslim teachings.....and are infact incorporated in the Quran. FYI to be a Muslim it is only necessary to believe in the Unity of God and Muhammad His last Messenger, other imperatives are belief in the angels, the day of judgement, all the holy Scriptures and all the Prophets earlier to the advent of Islam.
As for moral values those are precisely mentioned in the Quran. I would not like to refer to Traditions (said to be sayings of Prophet Muhammad) as the same are disputed among the Muslims themselves and tend to confuse.
Not restricted to religion, the nature of values differs from place to place, people to people due to socio-cultural factors. Even in the USA you will note this variation from state to state...and infact some ''values' have been incorporated in the Law.
Islam, as far as I know, came to change the then ''values' prevailing among the Arabian land (and their culture) . Of such 'values' you can
find good mention in many authentic history books by the western writers themselves. History of the Saracens by Amir Ali or works of Pickhall and Prof Arberry etc (perhaps Gibbon too) should be enough to elucidate further on the state of affairs (ie practices and values) prevailing among the ''pagan'' Arabs and elsewhere (the Huns and the Mongols etc).

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AOA mahzr! i couldnt understand how jews's teachings close with islam ? and not christianity ?

In fact I never conclude. God's idea we have is derived from books religions or mythologies or as we have heard from elders. suppose you were never told about God or if you were growing in an isolated area wherein you never hear about God or do not read books on God I do not think you would have any idea about God. The idea of God is invented and with that said however I am not denying the existence of God nor supporting and in fact I want to be indifferent.

I read books on God and I have read plenty of books on it. Buddhism is somewhat close to Nihilism and it is somewhat scientific too and therefore even Bertrand Russel and Einstein too were somewhat supportive of Buddhism.

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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi

Katy Perry

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I'm sold.

Was my post deleted in which I called the OP an idiot, or some such insult? If so, it's pretty funny . . . since I'm the OP.

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Originally Posted by usman.khawar

AOA mahzr! i couldnt understand how jews's teachings close with islam ? and not christianity ? ]

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WA
Reference to Jews was in context of Old Testament. Yes, Islam also contains
several good points of Christianity as well as other holy Scriptures, such as Talmud and Torah, etc. But since the holy Quran only lives on with its ORIGINAL context for more than 1400 years therefore reliance on the authenticity of other edited or rewritten Scriptures by human hands becomes suspicious and unauthentic.

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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi

Was my post deleted in which I called the OP an idiot, or some such insult? If so, it's pretty funny . . . since I'm the OP.

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good joke! like a clown getting bashed in circus!!:)