Was Jane Austen (1775-1817) Black?

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Originally Posted by OrphanPip

I also have to wonder why all these black royals were so complicit in the African slave trade. Or why numerous clearly racist books were written on the subject. Even Rousseau, who you also claimed to be black earlier, examines "negroes" in comparison to monkeys and orangutans in his book on the origins of inequality. You don't even get some major voices in opposition to black slavery until the late 18th century. It just seems like odd behavior for a society that had long outlawed white slavery, but was apparently ruled by an elite black ruling class.

None of it adds up.

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Dear, i'm so unimpressed with your credentials and I wonder why you are not chairing some symposium somewhere?

But this part of your posting I like a lot and it shows you have mastered the art of sticking to the topic. Pity you did not read Mansfield Park because the Bertrams are Black Britains, from the Gentry and slave owners. That's why they are so greedy for the delights of Mr. Henry Crawford who is black and his sister who is very brown. Slavery has less to do with racism then with greed. Just like whites will exploit and murder and sell other whites for a buck, so will blacks. You see, they are only human, no pun intended.

But dear, did you know about white slavery alongside black slavery in the American colonies? Did you know there were black slavemasters, Black Dutch, and former slaves who became slavemasters. And blacks and white slaves working together, fighting for their freedom? And the "proto-first-American president an European black?"

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John Hanson, half whitened.


http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&so...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

About white slaves in America

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Originally Posted by OrphanPip

Oh boy, there certainly is an image of a black person on the Drake Jewel, but that's because Francis Drake was a slaver, and the jewel was a present to him from Queen Elizabeth for being the first Englishman to circumnavigate the globe.

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Dear, does this black king who's profile is dominating that of a white women the image of a slave?

To me it represents an image of black superiority.

This is simply anachronistic, like I said in my post if you bothered to read it properly, white slavery was outlawed way before black slavery was. About 2 centuries before, and even before that the standard was not the same, indentured servitude was often practice on white people, but rarely were white people allowed to be chattel slaves, like African blacks.

Ah, but does the fact that the jewel also depicts an image of a phoenix indicate the all royals are in fact mythical birds?

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Originally Posted by Egmond Codfried

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John Hanson, half whitened.

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Okay. I'm going to listen very carefully to the answer to this...

What is there in this picture that makes you believe that this bloke was black?

Hanson's lineage was Swedish American. Get out of that without moving!

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Originally Posted by OrphanPip

This is simply anachronistic, like I said in my post if you bothered to read it properly, white slavery was outlawed way before black slavery was. About 2 centuries before, and even before that the standard was not the same, indentured servitude was often practice on white people, but rarely were white people allowed to be chattel slaves, like African blacks.

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Sweetheart, did you read al the three billion hits? You know that you have to read as many sources to proof a fact, and you did not.

The fact that what I say sounds strange or anachronistic or whatever does not mean my theory has no merits. Like I pity the person who broke the news that the earth was not flat. I imagine him being stoned and flayed alive or gangraped. That's what I'm experiencing right now...well not the rape..but the ridicule etc.

Some of you are on my ignore list. Does this site offer the facility to block out those unwanted, who first offend, then next want to talk. Well I'm not playing that stupid game. I do expect some breeding and good manners.

No, the ridicule went to the first clot who suggested that it still wasn't round despite the proof, but insisted that it was still flat. Or banana shaped.

I think it was ptolomy who first proved the earth was round, he measured it's circumference

Okay this is all I have to say:

The atrocities of white society throughout history has resulted in an almost total lack of pre-Abolitionist era black writers. This results in a unanimous amount of white writers in the West. To acknowledge this is not to insult the literary merits of individuals of African-descent, but to acknowledge history, and a sad one at that.

I'm sorry that instead of an intelligent or gifted black man or women had to be a slave instead of a writer in the 19th century (or any century), but that is simply how it was.

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Originally Posted by Hawkman

I think it was ptolomy who first proved the earth was round, he measured it's circumference

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No it was Archimedes some 400 years earlier.

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Originally Posted by Hawkman

I think it was ptolomy who first proved the earth was round, he measured it's circumference

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But did he went and tell the folks about it? And was he raped for his pains?

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Originally Posted by DanielBenoit

Okay this is all I have to say:

The atrocities of white society throughout history has resulted in an almost total lack of pre-Abolitionist era black writers. This results in a unanimous amount of white writers in the West. To acknowledge this is not to insult the literary merits of individuals of African-descent, but to acknowledge history, and a sad one at that.

I'm sorry that instead of an intelligent or gifted black man or women had to be a slave instead of a writer in the 19th century (or any century), but that is simply how it was.



No it was Archimedes some 400 years earlier.

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Please don't go!

close your eyes and realise that not all blacks were enslaved and thsi type of slavery lasten only 500 years, and as the first humans were Africans we might expect them to have the first civilisation, and producing writers, no?

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Dear Jane Austen refused to meet one Miss Burdett, one reads in the Tomalin Biography, p. 236, who might have been a daughter of Francis Burdett a radical reformer. I'am looking him up and this cartoon first popped up, with all these wonderful physionogmies.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/csl1094l.jpg

One of them is Burdett. I guess he was a Jacobin, not Austen's favourite kind of interest.

But this wish from Miss Burdett induced Jane Austen to write to Cassandra: 'If I'm a wild beast I cannot help it. It's not my fault.'

Nobody knows what she really meant. And she does not come across as a wild beast, to us.

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Originally Posted by Egmond Codfried

But did he went and tell the folks about it? And was he raped for his pains?

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Actually, it was referenced at Isaiah Chapter 40 and verse 21.

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Originally Posted by Egmond Codfried

But did he went and tell the folks about it? And was he raped for his pains?

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Yes he did and no he wasn't.