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    Hawk, that picture you posted last - you sure that wasn't Brian Boru? Or Brian Blessed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dafydd manton View Post
    Hawk, that picture you posted last - you sure that wasn't Brian Boru? Or Brian Blessed?
    Which, the one with the beard or without?

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    Oh, with, definitely. The other one was probably Anne of Denmark, or Shakespeare, not sure which.
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    Well, I'm fairly certain they both predate Brain Blessed, but as for Brian Boru you'd have to consult a genealigist

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkman View Post
    By the way, QE 1 was famous for plastering on the makeup because she caught smallpox and was hiding the scars.
    Propaganda! As a descendant of recent immigrants from Burkina Faso, the Virgin Queen was in reality covering up the tribal scarifications inflicted on her as a child, which practice had fallen out of fashion amongst the upper echelons of black British royalty. It is also well-known that Mary Queen of Scots wore a wig. And who else wears a wig? I'll tell you. Tina Turner! So that proves it.
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    Well, I like David Bowie and did he not marry Iman?
    Still I would not buy a second hand car from you, because of your avatar. And I have no use for bull**** eurocentrist genetics. They lie about everything. And their definitions of blackness stink.





    Charlotte Sophie of Mecklenburg: brown, a true mulatto face

    Then we have this Nadezha, great granddaughter of Alexander Pushkin who married into the Britisch royal familiy, and she was noted for her 'negro hair' and lesbian tendencies, and I love her for that.

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    Tina Turner, a Virgin? Don't be ridiculous!!! (See my autobiography.........)
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    [QUOTE=Egmond Codfried;930299]Still I would not buy a second hand car from you, because of your avatar. And I have no use for bull**** eurocentrist genetics. They lie about everything. And their definitions of blackness stink.

    The voice of reason.
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    Eurocentrist genetics? It's just a fact of matrilineal heritage, it's not even Eurocentric since haplotype H is well spread out through the Middle East and a little bit in India.

    It's not even a matter of blackness, if people popped out rainbow coloured you'd still be able to pinpoint that it is highly unlikely that the European royalty have recent African heritage, and by recent I mean within the last few thousand years.

    Whatever amount of distrust my avatar engenders in you, I assure you I have a degree in a biomedical science from a first class university and in my opinion the genetic evidence makes the idea that European royalty was of African heritage highly unlikely.

    I also have to wonder why all these black royals were so complicit in the African slave trade. Or why numerous clearly racist books were written on the subject. Even Rousseau, who you also claimed to be black earlier, examines "negroes" in comparison to monkeys and orangutans in his book on the origins of inequality. You don't even get some major voices in opposition to black slavery until the late 18th century. It just seems like odd behavior for a society that had long outlawed white slavery, but was apparently ruled by an elite black ruling class.

    None of it adds up.

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    Egmond, may I ask a question? Is there a single major Western European artistic or political figure from the last 1000 years whom you don't think was black?
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    Jane Austen wrote her own take on history pointing out how biased etc the (male) writers were.

    Now here we have The Drake Jewel, look it up. Showing The Good Queen Bess. Another golden Mohr. Another example of images of blackness swirling around European nobilty or royaly. That is, the ones which were not destroyed by the Jacobin's.

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    Images of Blackness? I've got a picture of a steam-trawler in my living room, but I've never been on one, never seen one, we have no fishermen in the family, I don't even like fish, I just happen to like it. That last post proves, regrettably, nothing much at all.
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    Here are two more portraits of Queen Charlotte.

    She just looks German to me.

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    Oh boy, there certainly is an image of a black person on the Drake Jewel, but that's because Francis Drake was a slaver, and the jewel was a present to him from Queen Elizabeth for being the first Englishman to circumnavigate the globe.

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    Ah, yes, but only because she was. (This is the moment we wait to be told that the paintings were whitened/forged/faked for propagandist reasons.)
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