Hi aliengirl what does actually the saying mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by aliengirl
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Hi aliengirl what does actually the saying mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by aliengirl
Ironically, the only wisdom that shines brightly through your diatribe of lunacy is the Einstein 'quote'= Politics is everchanging, while an equation is eternal. Not to blatantly accuse you of anti-Semitism, but the vast majority of critics who discredit Einstein are Neo-Nazis and people who think Calculus is the hardest subject math has to offer.Quote:
Originally Posted by cafolini
Oh... you were just kidding!? Allow me to guffaw in private.
What did you stay away from the forum for five years for? To turn five years more ignorant. Who gave you this impossible job? You, underground? ROFLMAO!Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolescent09
Oh, cafolini, please do continue to "ROFLMAO" (return this useless acronym to the elementary school child, from whom you borrowed it, K? Thanks :)) at the gibberish you write that is completely devoid of thought, humor and insight. You "diss" one of the greatest physicists of the 20th century by making a comment based purely on spite, supported by absolutely NO argument. Oddly enough, the only thing remotely humorous about you is that you quote yourself! You, the oh so opinionated God of the world wide web of LitNet, please be merciful when smiting my young buns with your wiener of hardboiled facts! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by cafolini
Will your highness permit me to humbly quote a small product of your ingenious mind?:
(1) I'm assuming you were aiming for self-parody since you use the word, 'ignorant', which is easily the most blatantly misused word in the English language (no exception here). Thus, the reason I rarely, if ever, use it.Quote:
To turn five years more ignorant
(2) The first textbook definition for the word, "ignorant", is to lack knowledge or awareness in general. We all generally lack knowledge and awareness about many things that are general so to use this definition is analogous to accusing someone of being alive. So yes, I am alive, and doing quite well, thank-you for asking :D.
(3) The second textbook definition for "ignorant" follows directly from the first: "Lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular". This one is subject to the periodically correct use of literary grammarians and the rampant misuse of nearly everyone else. Contrary to popular belief, it does not mean stupid, that which suggests a lack of knowledge about everything. It means: "to not know something". We can logically link the broad definition in (2) with the the specific definition in (1). In other words, if a block of wood is comprised of splinters, then the block is as much a composition of splinters as it is a piece of wood. Notice how all three entities are not literally the same, but come together to form the same thing. To avoid deviating from the topic thread, allow me to quote Joe Pesci:
You are saying that I am alive, again! Gee, didn't I tell you? I am alive, and doing fine! Thank-you so much for your incessant concern! :DQuote:
It makes sense, don't it?
(4) You deem me 'ignorant' through a group of words that are not a sentence.
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(198,283,489). Read (1) again.
Hi cacian,Quote:
Originally Posted by cacian
The sentence I quoted is from Emily Dickinson's letter to her friend. She wants to say that it feels very good to speak to him because it offers her protection and warmth like a shelter. It is admirable that she had such faith in him.
The importance of the witch trials at Salem had nothing to do with the young witches who were having a revengeful ball with their idiotic accussed and knew full well what they were doing. The importance was the aftermath of the situation. That was the first time in American history when the beauty of the American future was pronounced: a person is innocent until PROVEN guilty. This was the beginning of the change from the idiotic Britiish law practice to the fruitful American practice. And it stuck and flourished little by little. C A Cafolini
"Time is all the currency in the world that you will ever need" - Nieve (Life's so Hard underground Hip Hop track)
"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully" - George W. Bush
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“The person, be it gentleman or lady, who has not pleasure in a good novel, must be intolerably stupid." Jane Austen
It seems Jane Austen was being modest, what she actually wanted to say/meant by being stupid are the ones who haven`t read any works by her.
Surprised something relating to coexistence come from Mr. junior Bush. When did he say that and why? was he say fishing literally or metaphorically?Did he mean fishes as in fishing or was he trying to say regarding superior communities tolerating inferior society internationally? Was this quote released during the election season? whatever the reasons it seems that either he wanted to garner the votes of PEW organisation or he was in an mentally inebriated state.Quote:
Originally Posted by Adolescent09
The measure of your faith is the measure of the pain you can endure. D.Brown
Children are often inventing and telling lies. Adults often do the same, but worse. They forget. ~ C A Cafolini
I'm not sure why Religion is tied strictly to Spirituality, when one could be religious doing anything. ~ Shaman_Raman
When it comes to dealing with terrorism there can't be any form of official brutality. There cannot even be any Miranda rights. ~ C A Cafolini
Lotus 123456
Justice will be done. ~ Bush
We did not want that war. ~ Bush
This is the mother of all wars. ~ Saddam as emperor of Babylon
I am the president of Iraq and I am willing to negotiate. [Is this the mother of all peace?] ~ Saddam as ace in the hole.
Today, justice has been done. ~ Obama
Case closed.
"Shoot for the moon, and if you miss you'll still land among the stars"
-P.S, I love you.
The soul cannot accept a rank. Fools are those who want to give it an involuntary one, for their own or for that of others. ~ C A Cafolini
My most profound respect for Jason Collins. Being a heterosexual, like I am, is my most precise way of not being stupidly homophobic. ~ C A Cafolini
Why do so many people who support gay rights announce their own heterosexuality? I hear it regularly: "I'm straight myself, but I support gay marriage...." It's as if many who support gay rights are terrified of being identified as gay themselves.
It can certainly be interpreted that way, but it might also be that they announce their heterosexuality simply because it makes supporting gay rights seem even more heroic ("Look at me, I'm so deep and accepting, yes, even towards people who are not like me.")
That's not true, Ecurb. The vast majority do not use the word "straight" as a distinction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecurb
“Sometimes there is absolutely no difference at all between salvation and damnation.” Stephen King
Cafolini, I just saw you quoted me, I'm touched. Please forgive my honesty, but I can't figure out whether I should like or resent you at this point, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by cafolini
Is the word "gay" being used here as an alternative for Sodomists or for Les**ns ?and does the act of sodomy cease to persist if they are in a consensual relationship?
I`ve noticed that the "natural" rights of sodomists are very much highlighted, especially during the election season and the politicians are more determined to prioritise their union as God given authority of free will not as God forbidden act. The same goes with the Femen or PETA organisations.
Ask some religious men. Married to women kind of men, that is, since "sodomy" is specifically an act not just between two men, and most couples practice things that can be described as sodomy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
Funnily enough, there is no christian, biblical-based objection to lesbians and lesbianism. Given that the god-chappie is said to be omnipresent, does that mean female couples are ok?
Can you provide an example of gay rights advocates claiming a god-given authority? Or PETA, for that matter?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
I'm interested in your focusing on sodomy - do you have a personal problem you're trying to avoid?
Gay relationships and marriage are about love, not sex.
Well, if "gay" is used as a synonym for "homosexual" this seems clearly incorrect. ("Homosexual" certainly refers to sex, not love.) Personally, I think "same sex marriage" is the more appropriate term. There are opposite sex marriages in which (if we can believe "Dear Abby" letters) there is very little sex involved, and (probably) same sex marriages about which the same is true. I sort of like the now quaint and old fashioned euphemisms such as "long time companion" and "great and good friend", which can be used equally for same sex and opposite sex members of unmarried couples. (As a matter of literary form, I don't like "partner", which suggests that the relationship is based on money and business.)Quote:
Originally Posted by The Atheist
I don't, so this is a better way of describing it to avoid confusion:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecurb
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Originally Posted by Ecurb
Agree entirely, and it bugs the hell out of me that it's been co-opted by non-married couples. I have had several business partners and every time I refer to "my partner", I'm then required to explain that it's a business partner, as opposed to my wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ecurb
Worst of all, the tendency for 18 year-olds who have been dating for two weeks to refer to each other as their "partner" that I hear all the time.
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Originally Posted by The Atheist
The act of sodomy I was refering to here was the act between the union of homosexuals.Quote:
Given that the god-chappie is said to be omnipresent, does that mean female couples are ok?
All Abrahamic faith denounces the act of homose*uality.
Genesis 18: 8 quotes Bible
And in the KoranQuote:
“Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.
These verses clearly contradicts homose*uality preferring heterose*uality as the natural way.Quote:
026.165 Y: "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males,"
P: What! Of all creatures do ye come unto the males,
S: What! do you come to the males from among the creatures
026.166 Y: "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing (all limits)!"
P: And leave the wives your Lord created for you? Nay, but ye are froward folk.
S: And leave what your Lord has created for you of your wives? Nay, you are a people exceeding limits.
What?!!! Are you trying to emphasize that Bible and all its stories are representatives of moral values of humanity? Does that mean whatever is not mentioned Bible or to which it holds no objection, is tolerable ? So if we go by this criteria then whatever is in Bible is also acceptable?Quote:
Funnily enough, there is no christian, biblical-based objection to lesbians and lesbianism.
There are way many graver acts besides homos**uality,mentioned in it and if we go by the standard you put forth then incestuous relations will be the norm today.
Would a sane man or for that matter, any human being indulge in this heinous crime?
It says God given authority of free will, not a free roller-coaster in the name of authority.Quote:
Can you provide an example of gay rights advocates claiming a god-given authority? Or PETA, for that matter?
If we show some concern about a certain social issue, how can it be deemed personal? If we as relevant citizens of a responsible society stand up against a serious crime like rape and vouch for severe punishment for the culprit as an act of justice for the victim, does that mean that we have a personal issue with the act of rape and the rapist?Quote:
I'm interested in your focusing on sodomy - do you have a personal problem you're trying to avoid?
We do not necessarily have to go through a tragedy to comprehend the side-effects of a certain negative element of our society and the humanity in general.
Were you saying this out of personal experience? It is all about love and everybody loves to do what they love. How can you be sure that all homose*uals just desire mutual affection and not enjoyment of ones flesh? Does not the love one has for their spouse transgresses beyond the emotional attachment?Quote:
Gay relationships and marriage are about love, not sex.
So sodomy is ok between couples? Pleased to hear that. Once the churches that are still anti-gay see the date, there's some chance they will realise that there isn't a valid reason to oppose homosexuality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
Fail.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
The passage is saying the girls should sleep with the men of their father's choice, not the other ones. It makes no comment on lesbians at all. Maybe you should re-read it in context.
Using the bible as evidence in this way means that incest is clearly ok, then. If you read on just a little - Genesis 19:30-36 - then it's clearly ok to have sex with your daughters.
I didn't mention the koran, but you're right, it does prohibit lesbianism. The koran also says:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
Since the koran is infallible, that means it's ok to kill atheists. This is why I don't consider the koran as a serious basis for any kind of morality. As I'm sure you know, that passage is not the only one.Quote:
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
Nope; I was just pointing out that the bible doesn't mention lesbianism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
This is pretty simple - either the god gives free will or it does not. I do realise that having a dollar each way has long been a religious prerogative.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
How on earth is it a social issue? They aren't making gayness compulsory. Do you object to people masturbating in their homes? Both the bible and koran prohibit that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
I'm glad you typed that, because it is the crux of the issue. Rape and murder involve innocent victims, and are therefore very much society's problem. Homosexual sex is consensual and has no victim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
I am interested that you are trying to equate murder & rape to homosexuality, though.
Given that statement, here's a very simple question for you:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
In what way is homosexuality negative for society?
I've racked my brains trying to think of one rational way it could be a societal issue, but I can't find one. Homosexuality isn't infectious, so seeing and being around gay & lesbian couples won't cause mass outbreaks of gayness.
Crikey, you are out of touch with reality. Gays don't need to marry to get sex: there's even a smartphone app to find sexual partners at short notice. The very fact that some of them are choosing to turn away from the promiscuous lifestyle to marriage is pretty much self-evidence that they're doing it for love.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
As it happens, I'm married to a woman and have several children.
Saddam Hussain will not be permitted to annex Kuwait. This is nor a threat. This is the way it's going to be. Our cause is just. Our cause is moral. Our cause is right. ~ President Bush.
I love the whole poem of Invictus, but the last lines really hit home.
"It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul."
Another that comes to mind -
“Two men look out through the same bars: One sees the mud and one the stars.”
Frederick Langbridge
All that really belongs to us is time; even he who has nothing else has that. ~ Balthasar Gracian
Sodomy is sodomy whether it involves women or man, though there are some precautions and health concerns that you need to be aware of and take into mind certain medical considerations regarding this activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Atheist
Wong.Quote:
Fail.
The passage is saying the girls should sleep with the men of their father's choice, not the other ones. It makes no comment on lesbians at all. Maybe you should re-read it in context.
If you go through the conversations prior to this verse, between the townsfolk and Prophet Lot, we will know that he was in fact subjected to pleading the townsfolk to spare his guests (males) and their modesty, lest they be defiled. As an alternative to their desires for males, he suggested to fulfill their carnal pleasures with females, in turn literally offering his daughters (females).
Did not I mention this in my earlier post? or maybe you had missed it by chance.Quote:
Using the bible as evidence in this way means that incest is clearly ok, then.
There is more, if you go down a little further you will find in Genesis 38:11-30, a chain of events unfolding which starts with seduction followed my incest and the end result being, pure bastardy.Quote:
If you read on just a little - Genesis 19:30-36 - then it's clearly ok to have sex with your daughters.
Koran prohibits lesbianism!! Pray do point it out to me where exactly in The Koran it forbids lesbianism.Quote:
I didn't mention the koran, but you're right, it does prohibit lesbianism.
Really?!!! Atheists?!!! Where is it mentioned atheists? or Do I have to read between the lines to really grasp the true hidden meaning of this quote.Quote:
And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.
Since the koran is infallible, that means it's ok to kill atheists.
As far as history concerns, there were no atheists in Pre-Islamic Arab region nor in the 7th century when Islam was propagated through out the Arab world as a religion. Rather it was the opposite, since the pagan arabs concept of God was similar to the Greek Mythological Gods, worshiping different gods for different purposes on alternative days.
It seems you are confused to whom them is referred to in this verse and when googling it and going through the earlier threads in the religious section of Lit-Net, it is more probable that you have quoted this verse out of context.
and here I was thinking that lesbians were categorised as homos**uals but the way you put it, it seems they are a whole new creed altogether. Are you confused or you do not want to accept them as Homos?Quote:
Nope; I was just pointing out that the bible doesn't mention lesbianism.
I was expecting you to raise up this issue, sooner or later.It is evident in the earlier thread/posts in the Religious Texts of Lit-Net that whenever someone`s comments were even remotely related to free-will, destiny, predestination, somehow the ineffectiveness of God as an omnipresent Being was dragged into the issue ending with the confusion related to the existence of God. Enough has been said/discussed regarding this topic that it has become a pretty hackneyed subject, which even though is interesting but has nothing new to offer to prolong this discussion nor have i got to add anything new to it.Quote:
This is pretty simple - either the god gives free will or it does not. I do realise that having a dollar each way has long been a religious prerogative.
Wonders of wonders. We knew that the Bible has contents relating to rape, murder, incest and beastialities but never ever have its biggest detractors, after thousands of years, gone on record to claim the masturbation thing. . Do you have any evidence to back-up this claim of Koran and Bible prohibitng masturbation?Quote:
Do you object to people masturbating in their homes? Both the bible and koran prohibit that.
It isn`t contagious maybe because, as they claim, they practice it safe but then we can`t be sure, after reading the report, for whole of this creed to practice it religiouslyQuote:
I've racked my brains trying to think of one rational way it could be a societal issue, but I can't find one. Homosexuality isn't infectious, so seeing and being around gay & lesbian couples won't cause mass outbreaks of gayness.
It seems puzzling to why they go to great lengths to legalise their unholy union. Isn`t the salvation thing their only motive behind all their efforts for equal marriage rights?Quote:
Crikey, you are out of touch with reality. Gays don't need to marry to get sex: there's even a smartphone app to find sexual partners at short notice. The very fact that some of them are choosing to turn away from the promiscuous lifestyle to marriage is pretty much self-evidence that they're doing it for love.
I did not ask you to clarify about your personal life or maybe you mistook my query about your personal experience, in fact I was amused by your firm belief that g*y relationships revolved around love. How can you be sure about that? Do have anyone in your circle who practice itQuote:
As it happens, I'm married to a woman and have several children.
It may not be magnanimous in its seriousness as/when compared to rape but then when has quantity got something to do with such sensitive issues.Quote:
I'm glad you typed that, because it is the crux of the issue. Rape and murder involve innocent victims, and are therefore very much society's problem. Homosexual sex is consensual and has no victim.
I am interested that you are trying to equate murder & rape to homosexuality, though.
Many religious persons claim that they are provoking the wrath of God and the day is not far when the history of Sodom and Gomorrah is repeated ( though it seems absurd to me to think of like that happening today). Another group, a tax-paying-conscious-group,thinks that since homos**uals patients are being taken care of by the public healthcare, their treatment is a burden on the society.
Homos**uality, its magnanimity notwithstanding, is still an issue and if the above given report`s findings is based on truth then this issue should be dealt with with utmost care. Would not it be humane enough to detoxify the society, not from their existence but from the psychological ailments they are suffering from.
All that really belongs to us is time; even he who has nothing else has that. ~ Balthasar Gracian
It's a shame the homophobe who wrote that didn't count the statistics from Africa, where AIDS is a primarily heterosexual disease, with millions more sufferers than USA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
Yeah, he was offering his daughters to MEN. You need to read that bit again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
Does not forbid it, however, plus the rather obvious fact that if the god only created Adam & Eve, the siblings were having sex to populate the planet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
This is getting a bit strange, because it was you that said the koran prohibited it!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
Are you now saying it does not prohibit lesbianism?
The context is pretty straightforward: "such is the reward of those who suppress faith". Who it referred to originally is irrelevant, and it's made even more obvious by Saudi Arabia and many other islamic-ruled countries where atheism is punishable by law - by death in Iran.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
You realise you're arguing against islamic religious scholars?
Technically, they are homosexuals, but the word has evolved to mainly refer to gays rather than lesbians. I don't care how they are categorised.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
Wonders of wonders. We knew that the Bible has contents relating to rape, murder, incest and beastialities but never ever have its biggest detractors, after thousands of years, gone on record to claim the masturbation thing. . Do you have any evidence to back-up this claim of Koran and Bible prohibitng masturbation?
Koran: 23:5-7 is again recognised by most islamic scholars as anti-masturbation. “And who guard their private parts, Except before their wifes or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blameable, But whoever seeks to go beyond that, these are they that exceed the limits”
Hey, I'm no expert on the koran and islam, so if masturbation isn't banned by the book and the scholars, let me know.
In the bible, the story of Onan is considered by many churches as a prohibition against masturbation. I actually that is incorrect, but who is an atheist to argue against churches. Again, if masturbation is not seen as sinful by churches, please let me know.
I was referring to the homosexuality being contagious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
It has absolutely nothing to do with salvation, and everything to do with equality. Denying them marriage is reinforcing their incorrect status as second-class citizens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
Given the number of heterosexual relationships where the male controls the female, or the relationship is dysfunctional for other reasons, I have no reason to doubt love as the basis for homosexual couples to publicly state their desire for a long-term relationship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
I know a great deal of gay men and lesbian women. Some of them are after love, some are after sex - just like everyone else.
Alas, neither psychologists nor the wider medical community see homosexuality as an illness.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
Gay relationships are as much about love as heterosexual ones are. This is a simple fact. If there is any doubt of this in your mind then you need to go interact with some gay people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleeding Pawn
That Family Research Council link is so homophobic and bogus I wish I could regurgitate it from my brain. Gays don't suffer from "psychological ailments" anymore than heterosexuals do. Its ironic that anyone would characterize love as a "psychological ailment," ignoring the true ailment here, which is the hatred such people have for people who love certain people.
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