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good book about islam called "islam" by huston smith. its short, maybe 90 pages. smith is a master of world religions and gives a view of islam that involves the good along with the bad.
and about islam. the koran get misinterpeted. so does the bible, so does the torrah, the toa te ching, ect...
i'm a moslim , so I'll answerQuote:
Originally Posted by rufioag
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This is the storyline from the other post I had, Please If you have any understanding of Islam I ask you to clarify. If you have no understanding of Islam and just want to banter go ahead even if its off topic becuase that is allowed but I will defend my position to attempt to keep this thread on topic.
Moon worship has been practiced in Arabia since 2000 BC. The crescent moon is the most common symbol of this pagan moon worship as far back as 2000 BC.
In Mecca, there was a god named Hubal who was Lord of the Kabah.
This Hubal was a moon god.
One Muslim apologist confessed that the idol of moon god Hubal was placed upon the roof of the Kaba about 400 years before Muhammad. This may in fact be the origin of why the crescent moon is on top of every minaret at the Kaba today and the central symbol of Islam atop of every mosque throughout the world: About four hundred years before the birth of Muhammad one Amr bin Lahyo ... a descendant of Qahtan and king of Hijaz, had put an idol called Hubal on the roof of the Kaba. This was one of the chief deities of the Quraish before Islam. (Muhammad The Holy Prophet, Hafiz Ghulam Sarwar (Pakistan), p 18-19, Muslim)
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hubal is a god like ancient romans and egyptions used to make up gods, and yes, it has been puteen, actually it's a statue, coz people in mecca and before Islam used to consider some statues that they made as gods.
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The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". Each local pagan Arab tribe would refer to their own local tribal pagan god as "al-ilah".
"al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah before Muhammad began promoting his new religion in 610 AD.
There is evidence that Hubal was referred to as "Allah".
When Muhammad came along, he dropped all references to the name "Hubal" but retained the generic "Allah".
Muhammad retained almost all the pagan rituals of the Arabs at the Kaba and redefined them in monotheistic terms.
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here all is true, but ALLAH is the name of our god that has got no sons, and is only one... Ilah is in general, so there are many Ilahs, well, people thought so.
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I attempt with all sincerity not to disrespect anyones beliefs as is suppose to be done this forum. If a question is disrespectful, then I accept that and will attempt to refute what has been asked. But if a question is an attempt to understand, that is another story and should be looked in upon. Unless it is the attempt of this forum that we should all come in with concieved notions and not be allowed to state them or have them altered if they are untrue.[/QUOTE]
my dearest, it's not like you think...we moslims use the moon to know the beginings of the months, while you cristians use the sun... and in a month called Ramadan, we make the moon a symbol for it, cuz we watch the two nights before that month, so we know when Ramadan begins....
We have only one God , who is Allah, and we don't consider a "statue" as a god or Idol, or even Symbol
Salam alykom >> you know that is an arabic word, which meens peace upon you...
that is what we Moslims consider as a "Hi" in your language. ..
I'm a new member, yes, and I've seen so many wrong Ideas about Islam in this forum...
I am A Moslim, so I am ready to answer any of your questions about Islam, coz you know , I know many things, and I'm sure I can explain to you anything you don't understand about Islma...
but .. then I can ask you anything about Cristianity , and you have to answer, so we can have a little chat about religions, and a comparizim between Islam and other Religions...so we all get a pure Image about all religions, and WHO GOD REALLY IS.
so please, don't be too shy to ask, I'll be here every evening..:thumbs_up :blush:
SALAM ALEKOM, whis is also a "bye" in Islam
My understanding of the religions of the book is they all have on message: and that is worship 'God', just the one 'God.' I've out 'God' in speech marks because in Christianity they didn't call him 'God', thats in English, not in Hebrew. So just like in Arabic it is 'Allah' it so in English 'God.'
The difference in religion arises from what Muslims calls 'shariah' which is basically ruling/laws. Each religion of the book came down with different laws for different times and different nations.
For example, Muslims believe that their Prophet Muhammad is the last Prophet, the 'seal of the Prophets' because after him no more Prophets will come. He bought the complete revelation and to this day even non-Muslims admit that not a syllable has been changed from the original, a copy still available. Muslims believe in Jesus and all the Prophets before him but they do not believe any Prophet, including Muhammad, is a son of God. Islam is based on one crucial concept: tawhid, which basically means oneness of God, he is unique and not like his creation so Muslims believe how can he have children, a son?
Actuallly though salam Allykum is used as hi and bye a great deal of deeper more wieghtly meaning attached to it. Salamallykum BTW, basically in its fullest form it is Actually Asalm Allykum wa rahmatil Allhi wa barkatuh.
Basically Peace to You and Gods Mercy and Blessings.
The Peace on you is more of Peace to you its sort like a truce. It dates back to the warlike nature of he Arabs pre islam . Because of how tribal and things they were they tened to have massive fueds and wars, but if they say Asalm Allykum it bsically means I come in peace and it promise not to kill/ try attak/ do any harm to the other person.
Another thing just to think about Muhammed peace be upon him said " The best of you is he who begins with the Salam" in other words he who starts in peace.
What do you mean by saying "all here is true" after you quoted the passage that say that "al ilah" was shortened to Allah and that Hubal was called Allah.
Allah name existed before the arabs made statues to worship. since the prophet Abraham peace be upon him, and infact if we look at the word God in hebrew we will find it "Iloheem" which is cloose to Allah, Iloheem is plural from of "El" which mean also God in hebrew, Jews use the plural from for 2 things: for numbers more than one and for respect same as in arabic and Iloheem is used for respect. Same thing in Aramic which is the language of Jesus peace be upon him, they say Alaaho the word is equal to arabic word Allah. And the one who read Quran will know that arabs didnt shortened Al ilah to Allah: Sura 39 verse 3:"Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors others than Allah (say): "We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah." Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful." As we see here Arabs always knew Allah but they started to worship stones so they get closer to Allah, it will be so stupid to say that arabs worshipped the statue Hubal and then they made other statues so they get them closer to Hubal. Hubal and all other statues were made for the same purpose which is to get closer to Allah the only one God.
you know pretty much about Islam, thank really, but I didn't want to go too deep cuz I was very busy yesterday ...
Can you search for my thread on this topic and write an answer?
Thanks!
Shadowy Girl> There has already been a thread about questions about Islam so the thread you have started will be merged with that one. You can carry on your discussions there.
sure I will, but I started it for general questions .... not about this spesific one!Quote:
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Originally Posted by bazarov
sure, just ask, but I didn't find yours..
Do you know the story of the start of the Arabic languge?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shield&Sword
Well presumably according to what know the 'modern' by this Im saying that which lead up to the arbic used in 750 AD around the time that mohmmed lived arbic languge stems directly from the tribes of Ismail, ( Abrhams son) . SO actually its not suprising to find strong similariteys in the languges as the jews, well alctually prejews this would be the sons of Israil ( who was also know if you didnt know as Jacob son of Issac son Abraham, who was also Joseph nd the other 11 sons father) would also have spoken a languge derived from that Abraham.
but on with the rest of what shield says
You have to admit shield its understandable why someone would think that Allah is the shortened form of Al-Illah espcially if theyve ever seen them written , but yes ther is a differance mainly in that Allah is a proper noun.Quote:
. And the one who read Quran will know that arabs didnt shortened Al ilah to Allah: Sura 39 verse 3:"Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors others than Allah (say): "We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah." Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful." As we see here Arabs always knew Allah but they started to worship stones so they get closer to Allah, it will be so stupid to say that arabs worshipped the statue Hubal and then they made other statues so they get them closer to Hubal. Hubal and all other statues were made for the same purpose which is to get closer to Allah the only one God.
As to the stautes, yes thats it. The ancient arabs apparntly originally built the idols as memorials and reminders of good pious people, so they could emulate them gradually they came to belive that these people where 'special' then that they had some kind of influence over God so they begane to pray to them and offer sacrifices in thier names so that they would petition God on thier behalf or forgive thier sins, from there it was a far leep to giving them powers and such. But I think they never actually belived that they were the highest gods just sort demmi gods as it were.
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Originally Posted by shadowy girl
The thread Bazarov mentions has been closed because of constant references to current politics and certain personal comments.
I would like to repeat my last reminder in that thread here as well:
To All> This thread remains open only in good faith of the moderators because its subject matter is very sensitive and can be easily corrupted/turned into a political discussion, which is not permitted on our Forum. We still would like to believe the genuineness of the initial inquiry and the informative replies it will get as we are all here to share and learn from each other. Off-topic and political posts will lead to thread closure.
I will talk more about the arabic language only for more info.
The arabic language existed before Prophet Ibraheem peace be upon him. Prophets Hood and Salih peace be upon them were arabs but they didnt talk the "pure" arabic language that we talk now, the tribes that were talking arabic before Ibraheem peace be upon him are called Alarab Albae'da (its like the vanished arabic people). The first who talked the "PURE arabic" was prophet Ismaeel peace be upon him. The hebrew language as i know is derived fromt eh arabic language, thats why we find alot of similiraty between them and you can ask me i talk it so good, same thing aramic but hebrew is so poor language. Infact one of the most incient language would be the Syriania (as i remember), and looking at words in both arabic and syrianic we will find that there are alot of words comon in both. Hebrew and arabic language are not similar because Ismael and Isaac peace be upon thme were brothers but because both hebrew and modern arabic derive from same father which is the arabic language of Alarab Albae'eda the first form of arabic alot of years before Ibraheem peace be upon him.
Bazarov i thought i answered your questions in that thread and arrived to an important conclusion you can check again in the original thread.