Self-Mutilation as form of body modification/meditation.

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Originally Posted by Neely

It’s much better to quit while you’re behind than to descend so low, but never mind.

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For some, they didn't "descend" this low. This is their level.......:incazzato:

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Originally Posted by Delta40

Honestly, this is supposed to be a serious discussion forum but as per usual, it's outnumbered by those members who use the forum to go a few rounds with other members. The topic is just an excuse for a slagging match, personal point scoring and childish nitpicking. [...]

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Too much "childish nitpicking", but mostly from the same source. Sadly it's my observation that certain people never grow up, in mentality, sensitivity and sensibility.

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Originally Posted by Neely

one that differs from yours and then you come down on them like a stray rabid poodle!!!

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some pent-up post teen angst directed at some of the more sensible posters on Litnet [...]

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It's not uncommon on public forums that when others don't disagree with them, they lash out and insult everyone in sight. But on a literary forum, we all expect members to be much more polished and show some art in how they use language.

But in this case, I think it's beyond that. Some certain individual really needs anger management.


Litnet should screen people for rabies before letting them in. Where are the animal control people when we need them?

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Originally Posted by Emil Miller

:smilielol5: :smilielol5: :smilielol5:

The absolute perfect match, but one made in hell rather than heaven.

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:ack2: :reddevil: Yahh, two cages please....

^Hahahaha! You've been waiting a long-*** time to get that off your chest, haven't you sweetheart? I don't think I've pwned you in over a year! Have you been waiting in the wings all this time until my next flame-war with a fellow litnetter?

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Originally Posted by Haunted

Too much "childish nitpicking", but mostly from the same source. Sadly it's my observation that certain people never grow up, in mentality, sensitivity and sensibility.

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Yeah, and if your defenition of "growing up" means having no general knowledge of contemporary poetry, then crying to the mods and having the thread closed only to pop up in the middle of a random thread a month later to randomly flame someone, then I think I'll pass.

Reminder everyone: DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

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It's not uncommon on public forums that when others don't disagree with them, they lash out and insult everyone in sight. But on a literary forum, we all expect members to be much more polished and show some art in how they use language.

But in this case, I think it's beyond that. Some certain individual really needs anger management.

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It's obvious to anyone, but until the moderators do something about it, the forum will have to put up with an increasing stream of foot-stamping infantilisme reminiscent of this.

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5...thpigtaili.jpg

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Originally Posted by Haunted

Reminder everyone: DON'T FEED THE TROLLS

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You're the one popping up in the middle of a thread and flaming all over the place regarding a random subject (ie. me, in this case) which has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. Isn't that the very definition of trolling?

Emil is going to pop up to spew his OWN flames in 3, 2, ...

Ohhhh sh*t, he was too quick for me!

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Oh please, not that it matters (your the one who brought the word "lecture" into the conversation…

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Wrong again. Yet another case of imagining what I say and going completely overboard, way past overboard - drowning in the sea.

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…could have gotten along just fine without it in this discussion) but that was totally lecturing. "There can be no justification for cutting/burning/scaring/chopping off a finger at all?" Part of me could practically hear Mr. Neely saying: "There can be no justification for not preparing yourself for this exam at all."

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Yet again another exception to this:

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I'll argue against pseudo-morality based infringements of human freedom until I die...

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Meaning: I don’t like his opinion or the tone of his opinion (or both) so I’ll bark off again. Human freedom until I die unless I don’t agree with it.

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And if you give an opinion that other people are crazy or f*cked up…

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Strange, since I’ve never used that language in my entire posting while I’ve been on Litnet! I don't see the point in swearing when it both against the rules and gets blocked out anyway. Another example of imaging what I’m saying and then insulting me (and nearly everyone else) for your imagination. Weird.

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…you will usually find that other people share their opinion that you are being hypocritical and condescending, which is exactly what is currently happening. If you don't want to debate with me or anyone then it's as easy as staying out of Serious Discussions (ie. the subforum for debate).

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I really don’t care if some people are small minded enough to dislike me for having opinions and sharing them. That’s not my problem. I don’t even think that’s the reality anyway. I’m not keeping out of Serious Discussions because of you either. I will go and read what I like and post where it takes my fancy. I do suggest in future though that if you stop hijacking my opinions with silly rants it will do several people a few favours.

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YOU are narrow-minded, and it's silly to call people crazy or f*cked up just because they're not exactly like Neely.

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Again I haven’t said that (play the record) again, this is your imagination and hate issue, not mine. Narrow-minded? I say pot and kettle scenario.

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This is officiallly going nowhere, we've resorted to literally describing the thread as it's occured up until this point. That's always a clear sign that it's over.

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Good idea. This is about the only sensible thing you have said. Let’s hope this is over; just end it here.

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Originally Posted by Neely

Wrong again. Yet another case of imagining what I say and going completely overboard, way past overboard - drowning in the sea.

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Aaaaaaand why? Another hint, Neely: when you're debating with someone, you've got to explain your points. You can't just randomly say stuff with that "so there!" attitude, that's not even a point at all.

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Originally Posted by Neely

Meaning: I don’t like his opinion or the tone of his opinion (or both) so I’ll bark off again. Human freedom until I die unless I don’t agree with it.

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Wrong. As I've said three times before, you're free to say whatever you want and if anyone ever tried to inhibit you from doing so I'd beak off at them in the same way I'm currently beaking off at you. Haven't you ever heard the phrase "I don't agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it?" Do you even know what "freedom" means?

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Originally Posted by Neely

Strange, since I’ve never used that language in my entire posting while I’ve been on Litnet!

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Yes, no s***, I was obviously paraphrasing. I could have said that you thought they were "insane and unnatural," but the language that you use is, frankly, so stuffy that it feels like a straightjacket on me. I didn't change the meaning in the slightest. I could prove that by going through the thread to quote your actual language, but I'm tired as hell and I have to work in eight hours.

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Originally Posted by Neely

I don't see the point in swearing when it both against the rules and gets blocked out anyway.

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Actually, it isn't against the rules according to Admin:

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If you want to get a point across that requires you to swear, swear normally. It will be blocked by the word filters. However, like TV bleeps, everyone will know what you mean. Except for the little innocent kids.

I hate you ****ing *******.

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This is yet another example of why you need to learn how to read more carefully.

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Originally Posted by Neely

I’m not keeping out of Serious Discussions because of you either. I will go and read what I like and post where it takes my fancy. I do suggest in future though that if you stop hijacking my opinions with silly rants it will do several people a few favours.

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I'm not trying to bully you out, I'm telling you that if debate bothers you so much than maybe you should consider staying out of the debate subforum. How is that even a controversial statement?

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Originally Posted by Neely

Narrow-minded? I say pot and kettle scenario.

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So you are admitting you're narrow minded! The kettle was black, right? :p

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Originally Posted by Neely

Let’s hope this is over; just end it here.

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I guess we'll see.

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Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

You're the one popping up in the middle of a thread and flaming all over the place regarding a random subject (ie. me, in this case) which has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand. Isn't that the very definition of trolling?

Emil is going to pop up to spew his OWN flames in 3, 2, ...

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Me "popping up in the middle of a thread and flaming all over the place regarding a random subject (ie. me, in this case)"?????

So no one can post in the middle of a thread? Who are you to decide who can come in to post and who can't?

How could you deduce that it was you as the subject? Did something click?


You are wrong. I didn't start the flaming. It was already started. I was here to post on topic but all I saw was complaints from respectable Litnetters about a certain "rabid grizzly bear" and "stray rabid poodle" for her "childish nitpicking".

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Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

^Hahahaha! You've been waiting a long-*** time to get that off your chest, haven't you sweetheart? I don't think I've pwned you in over a year!

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You've "pwned" me....hmmm.

So you admitted to harassing and abusing other members? Gotcha.

http://www.online-literature.com/for...ent.php?f=8591


oh jeez, I just fed the troll. My bad.

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Originally Posted by Neely

Wrong again. Yet another case of imagining what I say and going completely overboard, way past overboard - drowning in the sea.


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Strange, since I’ve never used that language in my entire posting while I’ve been on Litnet! I don't see the point in swearing when it both against the rules and gets blocked out anyway. Another example of imaging what I’m saying and then insulting me (and nearly everyone else) for your imagination. Weird.


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I do suggest in future though that if you stop hijacking my opinions with silly rants it will do several people a few favours.


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Again I haven’t said that (play the record) again, this is your imagination and hate issue, not mine. Narrow-minded? I say pot and kettle scenario.



Good idea. This is about the only sensible thing you have said. Let’s hope this is over; just end it here.

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Ditto. If it's any consolation Neely, it happened to me times before...someone putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, then picks a fight based on their "imagining" what I said. Guess who.

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Originally Posted by JuniperWoolf

Yeah, and if your defenition of "growing up" means having no general knowledge of contemporary poetry [...]

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Getting a little personal, don't you think? Usually when someone loses an argument they resort to personal insults.

Anyway a big thank you for reading my poetry. I didn't know you know so much about contemporary poetry. What are your credentials?

You should post your comments there. Practically all the comments I received are positive. It needs a rabid poster to mix things up.




When this calms down I'd like reply to the OP and comment on some thoughtful posts. This to be an interesting thread and shouldn't be disrupted by teenage outbursts.

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Originally Posted by Delta40

Honestly, this is supposed to be a serious discussion forum but as per usual, it's outnumbered by those members who use the forum to go a few rounds with other members. The topic is just an excuse for a slagging match, personal point scoring and childish nitpicking. It's full of sarcastic comments to each other, disrespectful and although I did post a few times because this subject is very close to home for me, what's the damn point of me laying it out there when so few are really engaging in the discussion? I can barely see from all the **** flying back and forth.

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Yes, because that wouldn't be a boring forum at all.

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Originally Posted by Haunted

:ack2: :reddevil: Yahh, two cages please....

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I love that that statement is in the same post condemning people for childish behavior.

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Originally Posted by Haunted

How could you deduce that it was you as the subject? Did something click?

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Oh, please. It's so painfully obvious that you're talking about Juniper it's ridiculous. You, like so many others, must also have some sort of vendetta against Juniper. What's wrong, did she hurt you feewings?

Juniper isn't a troll, anymore than anyone else in this thread. On the count of people throwing around childish insults, either more or Emil probably hold the top spot in that regard, as opposed to Juniper who has written her side pretty extensively. She's just passionate, and you apparently have absolutely no clue what an actual troll is. If anyone is a troll here, it's been Emil (not that I think he has been), as all he has done is post pictures and smartass comments.

Frankly, heated debates like this are why I come to this forum. As opposed to certain martyrs, if we all always got along and walked on our tip-toes so we didn't hurt anyone's feeling, things would suck. If you have a problem with it, don't come on here and act like you're above everyone (Haunted). If you have a huge problem with something, report it to the moderators (as I've been told to do by the moderators several times).

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Originally Posted by Haunted

Ditto. If it's any consolation Neely, it happened to me times before...someone putting words in my mouth that I didn't say, then picks a fight based on their "imagining" what I said. Guess who.





Getting a little personal, don't you think? Usually when someone loses an argument they resort to personal insults.

Anyway a big thank you for reading my poetry. I didn't know you know so much about contemporary poetry. What are your credentials?

You should post your comments there. Practically all the comments I received are positive. It needs a rabid poster to mix things up.




When this calms down I'd like reply to the OP and comment on some thoughtful posts. This to be an interesting thread and shouldn't be disrupted by teenage outbursts.

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Oh, please, stop being a hypocrite. You're the one who came on here attacking Juniper, condemning HER for childish behavior, so quit with this crap, will you? It's more trollish than anything she's done.

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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi

Oh, please. It's so painfully obvious that you're talking about Juniper it's ridiculous. You, like so many others, must also have some sort of vendetta against Juniper. What's wrong, did she hurt you feewings?

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I haven't read the rest of your post and I don't intend to. It's all apologist spiel. BUt let me ask you this: how long have you been active around here? This lady you are defending has been stalking me and harassing me and others since 2009. She violated me many times. DId you read what she just said? "I don't think I've pwned you in over a year!" That's how long she's been on my back, going back years. I couldn't shake her.

I don't think people here have vendetta other than we are provoked. And you, young man, you are hanging out with the wrong crowd.

You came to defend someone like a boy rushing to defend his best buddy and picking a fight with someone who you don'tt know, that's very high school. And you call me childish? Let me say this to you: you didn't attack me by calling me childish, you attacked your own sensibility. Think about that.

As to you latest post, I won't dignify with an reply except that you didn't know the history of abuse from this certain poster. If I were you, I would butt out.

I don't see why the OP's question: Is self-mutilation a form of body modification? And can or should it be considered a healthy, somewhat meditating, form of retaining more dangerous outlets of negative mental states from manifesting? isn't a respectable enough question for me to address the issues involving self harm in a serious discussion forum. I also don't see many other posts commenting on it.

Besides, after reading the exchanges on this thread and others, I'm genuinely reluctant to provide yet another boxing ring for members that appear to do nothing else but thrash out their views at the cost of others for no other reason than having the satisfaction of stomping over other people.

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Originally Posted by Delta40

I don't see why the OP's question: Is self-mutilation a form of body modification? And can or should it be considered a healthy, somewhat meditating, form of retaining more dangerous outlets of negative mental states from manifesting? isn't a respectable enough question for me to address the issues involving self harm in a serious discussion forum. I also don't see many other posts commenting on it.

Besides, after reading the exchanges on this thread and others, I'm genuinely reluctant to provide yet another boxing ring for members that appear to do nothing else but thrash out their views at the cost of others for no other reason than having the satisfaction of stomping over other people.

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I meant to comment on your posts before all this distraction. I cant imagine you going through this with your daughter. IT's most definitely not healthy.

Don't know if she will outgrow it as she reaches adulthood. It's a form of release for teenage angst but to a harmful extreme. I believe she also has OCD. Is she taking meds for the disorder?

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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi

Just to clarify my earlier assertions: I do not think it's good or healthy for a person to use self-mutilation as a coping mechanism for depression. Other than the obvious possible results of real harm (even if it's a staff infection from a small cut) it just doesn't seem like it's in any way healthy. It's just a gut feeling.

What I don't have a problem with is masochism used to derive pleasure rather than to alleviate emotional pain. I'm talking about the guys who go to dominatrixes to get whipped and have hot wax poured on them. If that's what they get off on, more power to 'em. I don't see any harm in that.

As far as people wanting to amputate themselves, there something wrong there . . . but whether or not someone should be able to do it is a more complicated matter--probably moreso than any of us are intelligent enough to understand.

What about this guy:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_R51-i3_O-R...700515549.jpeg

Should that be allowed?

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I want to know where this guy works.

I usually ignore your personal insults towards me and I never retort with my own, because I know that your agression simply stems from the fact that you don't like me (which dates back to, and is a direct result of, the debate in which you argued that everyone should be forced to turn their radios down during the day because you don't like their music, haha!). However, in this case your attempts to belittle my point on the grounds that I'm from from Northern Canada is pretty racist...

I'm sorry to disappoint, but I have far more important things to do and far more pressing issues in my life that to take it upon myself to hate some unknown person on the internet because of a dispute some months or a year ago... although if it makes you feel more important to believe that I really consider your opinion of such value, please feel free to continue on in your illusions.

SLG (quoted)The comparison of pathological behaviors with having a pint of two of beer is beyond all rational thinking.).

You're the one comparing "cutting" ie. self-injury as a coping mechanism for extreme psychological stress with sadomasochistic pleasure-from-pain sexual activity. There's nothing "pathological" about a fetish like sadomasochism.OLOR] Everyone else on this thread seems clever enough to make that distinction.

Had you read my post more carefully you might have noticed that I clearly differentiated sadomasochistic behaviors from the pathological self-harm:

"There are cultural traditions involving what others might term "self mutilation" or "body alteration". These certainly include tattoos, scarification, piercings, etc... These are different from slicing one's wrist with a razor and any person in a professional position (teachers, councilors, nurses, doctors, therapists, etc... as well as parents) could (and likely would) be held legally responsible for not reporting such behavior which is commonly associated with extreme depression, mental illness, and suicidal tendencies."

I suspect, however, that reading comprehension has never been your strong suit. As for the notion that everyone is "clever enough" to make the differentiation between sadomasochistic behavior and pathological self harm... it seems that perhaps you are slightly challenged here in comparison to the accepted norm... at least according to medical, psychiatric, and legal norms.

I will state the reality once more for the sake of argument:

Any person in a professional position (teachers, councilors, nurses, doctors, therapists, etc... as well as parents) could (and likely would) be held legally responsible for not reporting such behaviors as cutting oneself or burning oneself which is commonly associated with extreme depression, mental illness, and suicidal tendencies. This is for the simple reason that such behaviors are linked with a large percentage of suicides. Various forms of self-harm including skin-cutting, burning, scratching, banging or hitting body parts, interfering with wound healing, hair-pulling, and the ingestion of toxic substances or objects are commonly classified among medical and psychiatric professionals as a symptom of borderline personality disorders and often related to other mental disorders including depression, anxiety disorders, substance abuse, eating disorders, post-traumatic stress disorder, and schizophrenia. This would seem to be enough for the normal, thinking human being to look upon self-harm or self-mutilation with a degree of concern.

(By the way, alcoholism and behaviors associated with substance abuse and eating disorders are usually not considered "self-harm" under medical guidelines because the resulting tissue damage is ordinarily an unintentional side effect... but certainly, excessive alcoholism and drug abuse are equally of concern.)

I'll argue against pseudo-morality based infringements of human freedom until I die...

The reality is that your arguments have nothing to do with "human freedom"... at least not outside of some idealized fantasy world, and most of us live in a world of awkward reality. As Neely suggests, I also suspect your arguments are simply made for the sake of an obsession with "winning" the argument... regardless of what is being argued for or against.

Hahahaha! You've been waiting a long-*** time to get that off your chest, haven't you sweetheart? I don't think I've pwned you in over a year! Have you been waiting in the wings all this time until my next flame-war with a fellow litnetter?

A comment like this would seem to prove that both Neely and I are onto something. It's not about arguing a point... coming to a consensus or even a balanced compromise based upon logic and rational thought. That would assume that your aim is uncovering the truth or some semblance thereof, when your stated aim is nothing more "pawning" your opponent. To achieve such an end you bombard the site with incoherent ramblings and profanity. Unfortunately, if you are actually going to succeed at pawning anyone here you'll need to display a degree of logical thought... or at least some modicum of wit. I have yet to see much of either.

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Originally Posted by KCurtis

I want to know where this guy works.

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It would be interesting to see how he can get by airport security checks.

Have you seen the "Horsemen"? I think it's that movie, there are people who have wires thread through their skin, an extreme form of body piercing. But it doesn't end there, they are suspended from the ceiling with these wires and only with their skin holding up their bodies. eeek

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Originally Posted by Haunted

Getting a little personal, don't you think? Usually when someone loses an argument they resort to personal insults.

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Indeed, they do:


"For some, they didn't "descend" this low. This is their level......"

"Sadly it's my observation that certain people never grow up, in mentality, sensitivity and sensibility. "

"Some certain individual really needs anger management."


"Litnet should screen people for rabies before letting them in. Where are the animal control people when we need them?"




You are quite right, if anything it is the sign of a vindictive and limited character.

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Originally Posted by Haunted

I meant to comment on your posts before all this distraction. I cant imagine you going through this with your daughter. IT's most definitely not healthy.

Don't know if she will outgrow it as she reaches adulthood. It's a form of release for teenage angst but to a harmful extreme. I believe she also has OCD. Is she taking meds for the disorder?

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Thankfully she doesn't cut anymore. She was resistant to counselling too at the time but I made up a safe self harm box which included paprika and chilli powder, vicks vapour rub and fine line red ink line gel pens which really hurt like hell when you press them into your skin - plus you get the blood effect. The other stuff, she could stick up her nose, in her eyes or any orifice she chose to inflict pain.

Her story is little more complicated and it wasn't about OCD. She's an adult now, a working public servant in a settled relationship who is in therapy. I'm fortunate that we are close.

She is really mad at some of the generalized comments people make about self-harm having been down that road herself.

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If anyone is a troll here, it's been Emil (not that I think he has been), as all he has done is post pictures and smartass comments.

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That's because there's no point trying to argue rationally with an attention seeking individual who's talking nonsense anyway, but if someone behaves like a demented harridan on the forum and the moderators allow it to go on unpunished, I am not going to stand by and see perfectly legitimate members insulted and sworn at, without passing comment. This is supposed to be a forum for reasoned debate and, while I have often tried to lighten the discussions with some joking references to stop us from taking ourselves too seriously, there is a difference between that and behaviour of someone who obviously has a severe personality disorder.

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Point taken.

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Originally Posted by Haunted

It would be interesting to see how he can get by airport security checks.

Have you seen the "Horsemen"? I think it's that movie, there are people who have wires thread through their skin, an extreme form of body piercing. But it doesn't end there, they are suspended from the ceiling with these wires and only with their skin holding up their bodies. eeek

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I can't look at that, and I really have an aversion to extreme body piercing too. But ofcourse people have free will and should. I really do wonder where that guy works.

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Originally Posted by Emil Miller

That's because there's no point trying to argue rationally with an attention seeking individual who's talking nonsense anyway...

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Quite sincerely, that's exactly the attitude I take towards you.

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Originally Posted by Emil Miller

while I have often tried to lighten the discussions with some joking references to stop us from taking ourselves too seriously, there is a difference between that and behaviour of someone who obviously has a severe personality disorder.

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Wow. It's uncanny.

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Originally Posted by Delta40

Thankfully she doesn't cut anymore. She was resistant to counselling too at the time but I made up a safe self harm box which included paprika and chilli powder, vicks vapour rub and fine line red ink line gel pens which really hurt like hell when you press them into your skin - plus you get the blood effect. The other stuff, she could stick up her nose, in her eyes or any orifice she chose to inflict pain.

Her story is little more complicated and it wasn't about OCD. She's an adult now, a working public servant in a settled relationship who is in therapy. I'm fortunate that we are close.

She is really mad at some of the generalized comments people make about self-harm having been down that road herself.

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Wow, that's a relief. I do think it's a passing phase, and isn't it great to hear she's fully functional now.

I relate because I'm a minor case of her. I don't cut but I do things that induce blood to "bead" to distract me from the real problems. It started when I was little. It's OCD too.

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Originally Posted by KCurtis

I can't look at that, and I really have an aversion to extreme body piercing too. But ofcourse people have free will and should. I really do wonder where that guy works.

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I guess we can rule out the TSA :D

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If anyone is a troll here, it's been Emil (not that I think he has been), as all he has done is post pictures and smartass comments.

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But was it Emil who posted an image of a gigantic straw man? :smilewinkgrin:

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On a more sober note, I think that the insults in this thread has gone on for far too long and should come to an end now.

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Originally Posted by KCurtis

I want to know where this guy works.

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The Inland Revenue?

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Originally Posted by MarkBastable

Quite sincerely, that's exactly the attitude I take towards you.

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You still don't appear to have got my earlier message. So let's put the issue beyond doubt.

:leaving:Exit pursued by an incorrigible bore who's a bit slow on the uptake.

See? All you need is caring, involved support.

Oh, and incidentally, there is no such word as 'unspecial' as used in your nitpicking of Darcy 88's recent post. Perhaps you should stick to things that you know although I realise that would limit your contribution somewhat.

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Originally Posted by Emil Miller

'imitation is the sincerest form of flattery' as the old saying goes.

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Originally Posted by Haunted

Wow, that's a relief. I do think it's a passing phase, and isn't it great to hear she's fully functional now.

I relate because I'm a minor case of her. I don't cut but I do things that induce blood to "bead" to distract me from the real problems. It started when I was little. It's OCD too.

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I really couldn't say whether it's a passing phase or not. I know (from experience) that if cutters don't get release from cutting then they will need to find it in something else and who knows what that might be? Cutting is a private personal practice and parents may not even know their kids are doing it either. It wasn't till our sweltering summer arrived and she was constantly wearing long sleeved tops that I started to wonder what was wrong and even then I didn't really know. But a smarter friend planted the seed in my head and I took her by surprise one day and yanked up her sleeve and was flabbergasted by the festering wounds.

Haunted I'd say that managing the real problems is always going to be the best long term solution even if it seems tougher than distracting yourself because by avoiding it, the solution tomorrow will be harder than it is today x

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I really couldn't say whether it's a passing phase or not. I know (from experience) that if cutters don't get release from cutting then they will need to find it in something else and who knows what that might be?

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arhh, one has to wonder. If she lives with you, you can pay extra attention to her patterns. Usually there are telltale signs, like long sleeves, as you noted. But if she goes onto something external, like tats or piercings, then I think it's a healthy progression. I will return later to give my position on tats and piercings.

Anyway some problems have no solutions. I can solve problems on a professional level, but no so much my own personal problems. Most have no solutions, only acceptance. I pick what I want to accept, and others just hang around me like a dark cloud x

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imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, as the old saying goes.

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Between flattery and admiration there often flows a river of contempt, as another old saying goes

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Originally Posted by Haunted

arhh, one has to wonder. If she lives with you, you can pay extra attention to her patterns. Usually there are telltale signs, like long sleeves, as you noted. But if she goes onto something external, like tats or piercings, then I think it's a healthy progression. I will return later to give my position on tats and piercings.

Anyway some problems have no solutions. I can solve problems on a professional level, but no so much my own personal problems. Most have no solutions, only acceptance. I pick what I want to accept, and others just hang around me like a dark cloud x

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Between you and me there are some 'problems' not worth solving :smilewinkgrin:

Anyway, no tats, no piercings something alot more wreckless but amazingly enough she got through that too and as devastated as I am, she is clearing the clouds and discovering the underlying issue and in hindsight, I'm a pretty awesome Mum. You know, I really hate those bull**** books on parenting!!! They're of no use whatsoever in the real world :smile5:

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Originally Posted by Haunted

I haven't read the rest of your post and I don't intend to. It's all apologist spiel. BUt let me ask you this: how long have you been active around here? This lady you are defending has been stalking me and harassing me and others since 2009. She violated me many times. DId you read what she just said? "I don't think I've pwned you in over a year!" That's how long she's been on my back, going back years. I couldn't shake her.

I don't think people here have vendetta other than we are provoked. And you, young man, you are hanging out with the wrong crowd.

You came to defend someone like a boy rushing to defend his best buddy and picking a fight with someone who you don'tt know, that's very high school. And you call me childish? Let me say this to you: you didn't attack me by calling me childish, you attacked your own sensibility. Think about that.

As to you latest post, I won't dignify with an reply except that you didn't know the history of abuse from this certain poster. If I were you, I would butt out.

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I've been active are around here, at least off-and-on, since I joined.*

I still find it amusing that I'm being called childish by someone who, out of sheer petulance, decides not to read the rest of someone's post.

Look, I don't want to make some sort of enemy out of you, but don't act like you're above all the pettiness and personal jabs. You're making them too.

And I'm not sorry for defending Juniper. I count her as a good, provocative poster.

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Originally Posted by Delta40

I don't see why the OP's question: *Is self-mutilation a form of body modification? And can or should it be considered a healthy, somewhat meditating, form of retaining more dangerous outlets of negative mental states from manifesting? isn't a respectable enough question for me to address the issues involving self harm in a serious discussion forum. *I also don't see many other posts commenting on it. *

Besides, after reading the exchanges on this thread and others, I'm genuinely reluctant to provide yet another boxing ring for members that appear to do nothing else but thrash out their views at the cost of others for no other reason than having the satisfaction of stomping over other people.

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What cost to others?*

Seriously, I think some around here need to grow some thicker skin.*

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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandi

Seriously, I think some around here need to grow some thicker skin.*

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:smile5: Isn't that like me asking you to become more considerate? :smile5:

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Originally Posted by Delta40

:smile5: Isn't that like me asking you to become more considerate? :smile5:

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As well as others on here being more considerate. Maybe we all could...

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Besides some too-graphic content for this ALL AGES discussion forum in this thread, flaming, trolling and off-topic posts are what get it closed :)