Was Jane Austen (1775-1817) Black?

Well, I like David Bowie and did he not marry Iman?
Still I would not buy a second hand car from you, because of your avatar. And I have no use for bull**** eurocentrist genetics. They lie about everything. And their definitions of blackness stink.

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Charlotte Sophie of Mecklenburg: brown, a true mulatto face

Then we have this Nadezha, great granddaughter of Alexander Pushkin who married into the Britisch royal familiy, and she was noted for her 'negro hair' and lesbian tendencies, and I love her for that.

Tina Turner, a Virgin? Don't be ridiculous!!! (See my autobiography.........)

[QUOTE=Egmond Codfried;930299]Still I would not buy a second hand car from you, because of your avatar. And I have no use for bull**** eurocentrist genetics. They lie about everything. And their definitions of blackness stink.

The voice of reason.

Eurocentrist genetics? It's just a fact of matrilineal heritage, it's not even Eurocentric since haplotype H is well spread out through the Middle East and a little bit in India.

It's not even a matter of blackness, if people popped out rainbow coloured you'd still be able to pinpoint that it is highly unlikely that the European royalty have recent African heritage, and by recent I mean within the last few thousand years.

Whatever amount of distrust my avatar engenders in you, I assure you I have a degree in a biomedical science from a first class university and in my opinion the genetic evidence makes the idea that European royalty was of African heritage highly unlikely.

I also have to wonder why all these black royals were so complicit in the African slave trade. Or why numerous clearly racist books were written on the subject. Even Rousseau, who you also claimed to be black earlier, examines "negroes" in comparison to monkeys and orangutans in his book on the origins of inequality. You don't even get some major voices in opposition to black slavery until the late 18th century. It just seems like odd behavior for a society that had long outlawed white slavery, but was apparently ruled by an elite black ruling class.

None of it adds up.

Egmond, may I ask a question? Is there a single major Western European artistic or political figure from the last 1000 years whom you don't think was black?

http://www.blackhistory4schools.com/...ke%20jewel.jpg

Jane Austen wrote her own take on history pointing out how biased etc the (male) writers were.

Now here we have The Drake Jewel, look it up. Showing The Good Queen Bess. Another golden Mohr. Another example of images of blackness swirling around European nobilty or royaly. That is, the ones which were not destroyed by the Jacobin's.

Images of Blackness? I've got a picture of a steam-trawler in my living room, but I've never been on one, never seen one, we have no fishermen in the family, I don't even like fish, I just happen to like it. That last post proves, regrettably, nothing much at all.

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Here are two more portraits of Queen Charlotte.

She just looks German to me.

Oh boy, there certainly is an image of a black person on the Drake Jewel, but that's because Francis Drake was a slaver, and the jewel was a present to him from Queen Elizabeth for being the first Englishman to circumnavigate the globe.

Ah, yes, but only because she was. (This is the moment we wait to be told that the paintings were whitened/forged/faked for propagandist reasons.)

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Originally Posted by OrphanPip

I also have to wonder why all these black royals were so complicit in the African slave trade. Or why numerous clearly racist books were written on the subject. Even Rousseau, who you also claimed to be black earlier, examines "negroes" in comparison to monkeys and orangutans in his book on the origins of inequality. You don't even get some major voices in opposition to black slavery until the late 18th century. It just seems like odd behavior for a society that had long outlawed white slavery, but was apparently ruled by an elite black ruling class.

None of it adds up.

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Dear, i'm so unimpressed with your credentials and I wonder why you are not chairing some symposium somewhere?

But this part of your posting I like a lot and it shows you have mastered the art of sticking to the topic. Pity you did not read Mansfield Park because the Bertrams are Black Britains, from the Gentry and slave owners. That's why they are so greedy for the delights of Mr. Henry Crawford who is black and his sister who is very brown. Slavery has less to do with racism then with greed. Just like whites will exploit and murder and sell other whites for a buck, so will blacks. You see, they are only human, no pun intended.

But dear, did you know about white slavery alongside black slavery in the American colonies? Did you know there were black slavemasters, Black Dutch, and former slaves who became slavemasters. And blacks and white slaves working together, fighting for their freedom? And the "proto-first-American president an European black?"

http://symonsez.files.wordpress.com/...trait_1770.jpg

John Hanson, half whitened.


http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&so...=&oq=&gs_rfai=

About white slaves in America

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Oh boy, there certainly is an image of a black person on the Drake Jewel, but that's because Francis Drake was a slaver, and the jewel was a present to him from Queen Elizabeth for being the first Englishman to circumnavigate the globe.

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Dear, does this black king who's profile is dominating that of a white women the image of a slave?

To me it represents an image of black superiority.

This is simply anachronistic, like I said in my post if you bothered to read it properly, white slavery was outlawed way before black slavery was. About 2 centuries before, and even before that the standard was not the same, indentured servitude was often practice on white people, but rarely were white people allowed to be chattel slaves, like African blacks.

Ah, but does the fact that the jewel also depicts an image of a phoenix indicate the all royals are in fact mythical birds?

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Originally Posted by Egmond Codfried

http://symonsez.files.wordpress.com/...trait_1770.jpg

John Hanson, half whitened.

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Okay. I'm going to listen very carefully to the answer to this...

What is there in this picture that makes you believe that this bloke was black?

Hanson's lineage was Swedish American. Get out of that without moving!

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Originally Posted by OrphanPip

This is simply anachronistic, like I said in my post if you bothered to read it properly, white slavery was outlawed way before black slavery was. About 2 centuries before, and even before that the standard was not the same, indentured servitude was often practice on white people, but rarely were white people allowed to be chattel slaves, like African blacks.

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Sweetheart, did you read al the three billion hits? You know that you have to read as many sources to proof a fact, and you did not.

The fact that what I say sounds strange or anachronistic or whatever does not mean my theory has no merits. Like I pity the person who broke the news that the earth was not flat. I imagine him being stoned and flayed alive or gangraped. That's what I'm experiencing right now...well not the rape..but the ridicule etc.

Some of you are on my ignore list. Does this site offer the facility to block out those unwanted, who first offend, then next want to talk. Well I'm not playing that stupid game. I do expect some breeding and good manners.

No, the ridicule went to the first clot who suggested that it still wasn't round despite the proof, but insisted that it was still flat. Or banana shaped.

I think it was ptolomy who first proved the earth was round, he measured it's circumference

Okay this is all I have to say:

The atrocities of white society throughout history has resulted in an almost total lack of pre-Abolitionist era black writers. This results in a unanimous amount of white writers in the West. To acknowledge this is not to insult the literary merits of individuals of African-descent, but to acknowledge history, and a sad one at that.

I'm sorry that instead of an intelligent or gifted black man or women had to be a slave instead of a writer in the 19th century (or any century), but that is simply how it was.

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I think it was ptolomy who first proved the earth was round, he measured it's circumference

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No it was Archimedes some 400 years earlier.

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I think it was ptolomy who first proved the earth was round, he measured it's circumference

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But did he went and tell the folks about it? And was he raped for his pains?

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Originally Posted by DanielBenoit

Okay this is all I have to say:

The atrocities of white society throughout history has resulted in an almost total lack of pre-Abolitionist era black writers. This results in a unanimous amount of white writers in the West. To acknowledge this is not to insult the literary merits of individuals of African-descent, but to acknowledge history, and a sad one at that.

I'm sorry that instead of an intelligent or gifted black man or women had to be a slave instead of a writer in the 19th century (or any century), but that is simply how it was.



No it was Archimedes some 400 years earlier.

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Please don't go!

close your eyes and realise that not all blacks were enslaved and thsi type of slavery lasten only 500 years, and as the first humans were Africans we might expect them to have the first civilisation, and producing writers, no?

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Dear Jane Austen refused to meet one Miss Burdett, one reads in the Tomalin Biography, p. 236, who might have been a daughter of Francis Burdett a radical reformer. I'am looking him up and this cartoon first popped up, with all these wonderful physionogmies.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/lowres/csl1094l.jpg

One of them is Burdett. I guess he was a Jacobin, not Austen's favourite kind of interest.

But this wish from Miss Burdett induced Jane Austen to write to Cassandra: 'If I'm a wild beast I cannot help it. It's not my fault.'

Nobody knows what she really meant. And she does not come across as a wild beast, to us.

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Originally Posted by Egmond Codfried

But did he went and tell the folks about it? And was he raped for his pains?

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Actually, it was referenced at Isaiah Chapter 40 and verse 21.

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But did he went and tell the folks about it? And was he raped for his pains?

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Yes he did and no he wasn't.

A little glance at Byron's Don Juan: IV iv may help.

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Originally Posted by Hawkman

Yes he did and no he wasn't.

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Kindly enlighten us about Socrates and Aristotle who were blacks

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Socrates

May I just see if I've got this right? According to your research, Socrates, Aristotle, Jane Austen, Nibbs, Sophie Charlotte, Anne Boleyn, Anne of Denmark, George Washington, Shakespeare, Beethoven, Rousseau, Voltaire, L'Alembert and Hanson were all black. Is this correct?

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Originally Posted by Hawkman

Ah, but does the fact that the jewel also depicts an image of a phoenix indicate the all royals are in fact mythical birds?

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Dear, you do not sound very bright. There are people whose mind does not sparkle. Its a drag to have to deal with those types, no? Like o another site a woman stated that men should not read Jane Austen, because they are then les off a man. So ignorant. But this is the lowest, I think, there are others less low, yet still exceedingly stupid. What you think?


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Here it is again, the profile of a black king eclipsing that of a white woman: black superiority in Renaissance Europe.

This is a detail of a candelabrum at the Louvre, a gift to, I think Maria de Medici who married the French king Henri IV. She was the grandmother of The Black Boy, Charles II Stuart. Who was a cousin of Louis XIV.

Well, the top image ceratinly shows one character who appears to be black but where is the attribution? I certainly can't read the arabic writing underneath. Can you? If so please translate for me. and are they contemporary images?

As for Socrates, well he looks more red than black. Perhaps he was a Native American.

Of course, along with Confucious, Erik the Red (black not red) and the virgin Mary. Then once 'Tippex' was invented someone went around whitening them all to denigrate (is that the right word in this context) the legacy of Afro-centrist literature.

I love this thread - I haven't laughed so much since our 'chemtrails' friend enterd hibernation.

Mr Codfried. You mentioned manners. You then insult Pip, you call people, somewhat condescendingly and patronisingly "dear" and "sweetheart". Then you insult Hawkman. Practice what you preach.

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Of course, along with Confucious, Erik the Red (black not red) and the virgin Mary. Then once 'Tippex' was invented someone went around whitening them all to denigrate (is that the right word in this context) the legacy of Afro-centrist literature.

I love this thread - I haven't laughed so much since our 'chemtrails' friend enterd hibernation.

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Did anyone say Black Madonna?

Its the strangest thing, all over Europa, Black Madonna's, black Jesuses etc.

http://yeyeolade.files.wordpress.com...91935144_b.jpg

It could only mean that the elite was black, reversed apartheid, and no use for a white divinity or saints. black superiority. And don't give me soot, because why would the soot only settle on the face and the hands?

Again fellars, this needs to be explained and my theory permits us to do so.

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Palestinians ARE dark-skinned! Hardly a revelation!

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Originally Posted by Egmond Codfried

Dear, you do not sound very bright. There are people whose mind does not sparkle. Its a drag to have to deal with those types, no? Like o another site a woman stated that men should not read Jane Austen, because they are then les off a man. So ignorant. But this is the lowest, I think, there are others less low, yet still exceedingly stupid. What you think?


http://www.africamaat.com/IMG/jpg/mere_d_alessandro.jpg



Here it is again, the profile of a black king eclipsing that of a white woman: black superiority in Renaissance Europe.

This is a detail of a candelabrum at the Louvre, a gift to, I think Maria de Medici who married the French king Henri IV. She was the grandmother of The Black Boy, Charles II Stuart. Who was a cousin of Louis XIV.

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The logic is yours, if it is stupid and tiresome, why practice it?

Tell you where the problem lies, Hawk. That bit on your signature about "pale death that knocks at the doors.........." Bit inflammatory, I reckon!

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Black Musicians, 1522

Help..... I've just noticed this photo of my avatar - I'm actually quite grey, perhaps even black-skinned under certain screen resolutions (then whitened courtesy of Adobe Photoshop no doubt). Is there no end to this dastardly conspiracy?

H

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Help..... I've just noticed this photo of my avatar - I'm actually quite grey, perhaps even black-skinned under certain screen resolutions (then whitened courtesy of Adobe Photoshop no doubt). Is there no end to this dastardly conspiracy?

H

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i bet you never read jane austen.

http://www.blackcoatpress.com/dumas.jpg

Alexander Dumas

http://www.online-literature.com/for...pictureid=7623

Here we have a representation of the Madona and Child from the top of Albert Cathedral in France. As you can see they are heavily gilded. Does this mean that the colour of their skin was gold?