What Attracts You First? Poll #2 for Men Only

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Originally Posted by Emil Miller

What about 'wowser' ?
Anyway, I don't really see the need for prostitution in this day and age when women are able to prevent unwanted pregnancy and have a more relaxed attitude to sexual relations. In the past it wasn't easy but since the advent of the contraception pill it doesn't present anything like the problem it once did.

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Are you serious? As long as men are willing to hand over cash for this service, there will be a lucrative market for it.

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Originally Posted by Delta40

Are you serious? As long as men are willing to hand over cash for this service, there will be a lucrative market for it.

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well of course they will they know it is there so why not?

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Originally Posted by Delta40

Are you serious? As long as men are willing to hand over cash for this service, there will be a lucrative market for it.

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If men are silly enough to pay for something that is available for free, there will obviously be a market for it but, in my experience, the pill made a definite difference to women's attitude to sexual relationships.

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Originally Posted by cacian

Haha yes that's a nicer way to put it.
I think prostitution is bad enough without having to persecute the poeple who sadly involved in it.
Prostitution is one of the worst form of human abuse and so it is already punishing to those who make it so for others to use and abuse.
Those who seek it in my eyes are worst. A prostitute provides a service for some who I feel are lower then prostitution itself.
why isn't there an equally degrading name for them. A punter is almost giving it and getting away with it.
Sorry I do not mean to distract from the thread.

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What's it look like from up there?

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Originally Posted by Emil Miller

Anyway, I don't really see the need for prostitution in this day and age when women are able to prevent unwanted pregnancy and have a more relaxed attitude to sexual relations. In the past it wasn't easy but since the advent of the contraception pill it doesn't present anything like the problem it once did.

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Yeah. I know me and my other ugly friends are just getting laid all the time. Chicks are just throwing themselves at us.

And, just to be clear, I've never used a prostitute. I don't judge people who do, though, nor do I judge the prostitute. Frankly, I've never seen it as a big deal.

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Originally Posted by Delta40

Are you serious? As long as men are willing to hand over cash for this service, there will be a lucrative market for it.

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Agreed. Ridding the world of prostitution is about as likely as ridding the night sky of its stars. As long as there are men in this world with money there will be prostitution. Its natural. What we should focus on is protecting the women who provide this service, guaranteeing as best we can their health and their safety.

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Originally Posted by Darcy88

Agreed. Ridding the world of prostitution is about as likely as ridding the night sky of its stars. As long as there are men in this world with money there will be prostitution. Its natural. What we should focus on is protecting the women who provide this service, guaranteeing as best we can their health and their safety.

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Yep. Which is why it should be legalized. If it's legal, it can be regulated and controlled.

I've never really seen it as a degrading profession.

[QUOTE=Mutatis-Mutandis;1153853] Yeah. I know me and my other ugly friends are just getting laid all the time. Chicks are just throwing themselves at us. [QUOTE]

Whether a man is ugly or not isn't the point, if he waits for women to throw themselves at him, he will probably have a long wait.

All I'm saying is that for a lot of guys, it is much, much easier just to pay for it. It seemed like you're suggesting going out and hooking up with a woman is no big deal, something real easy to do. Well, maybe for some guys, but not everyone. And looks sometimes don't even play into it. Some guys are shy, or a bit socially awkward, especially in bars and clubs. If it was that easy, I doubt business for prostitutes would be as good as it is.

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Originally Posted by Darcy88

I am considered mega-good-looking, and I have the ability to charm almost any woman.....but when I am actually in a bar (which is a rare event) I usually stutter and stammer and make a fool of myself. There are guys who are objectively nowhere near as good looking as me who are way better with the ladies. I don't mind it though. The girls who reject me for stuttering and stammering simply are not the kind of girls I would want to be with. The stuttering and stammering is almost a kind of test. If a girl can handle being in public with one as awkward as me then I know I have found someone very special, someone I can love and be with.

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It's no great secret that that it's 90% charm and social dynamics. And that's a pretty good criteria you have for filtering potential partners-you will know it when you know it.

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Originally Posted by Darcy88

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I must rant on looks and how ridiculously obsessed our society is with looks. Most of the women I have loved in my life have been girl next door types. Beautiful but nothing like the super-model ideal we see on television. The super-model ideal, the skinny, vapid, sick-looking super-model ideal is one of the most powerful dark forces currently menacing society. And the truly absurd thing is that it is not at all attractive or natural. I like a woman with a full figure. I could love and be with a woman who is skinny, but I know I'd constantly be trying to fatten her up. Whenever I do have a girlfriend I find myself acting like a father and encouraging my partner to eat, eat, eat. I know obesity is a huge problem too, and I am turned off somewhat by obesity in women, but I would prefer my partner to be 10 or 15 pounds overweight than vapid and sickly and striving to fulfill the super-model ideal. Its all about health and in my opinion health is best presented in a full figure, not a super-skinny one. I really sympathize with women. They have thrust upon them from one end the supermodel ideal and then from the other they have junk food manufacturers trying to get them to eat fattening unhealthy foods. Its sad, its a problem and I pray it somehow alleviates.

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Thanks for this side rant, Darcy. I agree with you. I feel bad for all of the little girls growing up in this world... but my perceptions growing up were also really shaped by the media, and I constantly struggle with my body image, food, etc.

I think I look really healthy and I exercise and eat relatively well, but I still feel pretty self-conscious. Anyway, good post.

I, too, am not into the super-model look. Sure, they're beautiful and a pleasure to look at, but I just don't think I'd be interested in a relationship with one (going into extreme hypotheticals, here). I too like the girl next door look much more. One of my favorite actresses, in terms of looks, right now is Emma Stone. I think she's beautiful, but not I the classical sense at all. She's unusual looking in some ways, and she even has a slight lisp, but that just makes her sexier to me. I like the flaws in women, and I hate when they want to get plastic surgery. A buddy of mine's girlfriend, who's quite cool and pretty, wants to get a nose-job because there's a slight bump on the ridge of her nose. I think the bump looks great. Why'd you want to change that? I told her so, but she's convinced herself it has to go.

It's a shame how girls are programmed to think about their bodies. I saw first hand the attitudes, the stress, the anal-retentiveness on the minorest of details, the teasing, the cruelty, the low self-esteem young girls deal with in my short time teaching high school. Some do manage to put themselves above all that and just be themselves and not worry about conforming to the extremes, but most don't, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by PoeticPassions

Thanks for this side rant, Darcy. I agree with you. I feel bad for all of the little girls growing up in this world... but my perceptions growing up were also really shaped by the media, and I constantly struggle with my body image, food, etc.

I think I look really healthy and I exercise and eat relatively well, but I still feel pretty self-conscious. Anyway, good post.

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I'm glad you and others seem to have enjoyed that rant. It angers me to no end. When I am a father I will probably have to meditate hours a day and take pharmaceutical medications in order to cope with the harsh bombardment women in my and all cultures receive when it comes to other people telling them how they need to look.

There was talk in the media where some industry big-shots were proposing the legalisation of prostitution in London for the duration of the Olympic Games. The main line of argument being that it could drastically reduce the number of young girls and boys being trafficked into the country, and also it would mean the business could be regulated which could alleviate most of the health issues surrouding the practice.

I'm not against prostitution on any moral grounds and I think anyone who judges another person in an aloof, pseudo-superior manner needs a good smack in the mouth. But legalising it means legitimizing it, and with all the talk in this thread about bad influences on young girls, I'm not sure to agree with this proposal is a wise move. Also the man who was making these proposals was eventually laughed out of the country.

Mary Ann always won the most preferred wife vote over Ginger in Gilligans Island

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Originally Posted by tonywalt

It's no great secret that that it's 90% charm and social dynamics. And that's a pretty good criteria you have for filtering potential partners-you will know it when you know it.

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Charm is a quality that's difficult to quantify but social interaction is definitely the heart of the matter.

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Originally Posted by Emil Miller

Whether a man is ugly or not isn't the point, if he waits for women to throw themselves at him, he will probably have a long wait.

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Originally Posted by Mutatis-Mutandis

All I'm saying is that for a lot of guys, it is much, much easier just to pay for it. It seemed like you're suggesting going out and hooking up with a woman is no big deal, something real easy to do.

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Maybe Emil has a different kind of clubbing in his mind:

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Originally Posted by Scheherazade

Maybe Emil has a different kind of clubbing in his mind:

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Hahahaha.

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Originally Posted by Scheherazade

Maybe Emil has a different kind of clubbing in his mind:

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A little psychology will afford a much better result than brute force. :yesnod:

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Originally Posted by Delta40

Mary Ann always won the most preferred wife vote over Ginger in Gilligans Island

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I always loved Mary Ann, Ginger would have been a nightmare. My first, umm, awareness of females was Mary Ann in re runs. (Also, I dream of Jeanie and Bewitched -both:drool5:

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Originally Posted by Delta40

Mary Ann always won the most preferred wife vote over Ginger in Gilligans Island

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Well, of course. Mary Ann was smoking hot and, personality wise, was so much cooler than Ginger, who would've been so much maintenance.

Hhmm, I have just noticed that no guys on this thread are into Supermodels (no wonder why the rock stars, athletes, men of a certain means, and Leonardo Dicaprio have the corner on that market).

Poor lonely Gisele, Cindy, Mila Jivovitch......

Don't get me wrong, I'd hit it in a second (probably how lond it'd take, too), but I find women like Emma Stone turn me on more.

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Originally Posted by Emil Miller

If men are silly enough to pay for something that is available for free, there will obviously be a market for it but,

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Like bottled water.

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Originally Posted by Drkshadow03

Like bottled water.

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Its about availability and demand. Emil is criticizing basic capitalistic principles and I find this interesting. As long as there is demand there will be someone there to fulfill the demand.

Sex will always be one of the greatest commodities on the market. And you have to pay for it no matter what. An educated person will look down on an uneducated person, an attractive person will look down on an unattractive person. If you have a big truck or a shiny car or if you are highly sophisticated or physically attractive you will thus have in your possession the goods needed to exchange on the sexual market for your desired product - sex. It sounds harsh and brutal and ugly to think in such terms but its true. If I had a dime for every time I've been rejected for lacking one of if not all of the above assets I would have enough wealth I could build a mound of gold taller and greater than Everest.

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Originally Posted by Darcy88

If I had a dime for every time I've been rejected for lacking one of if not all of the above assets I would have enough wealth I could build a mound of gold taller and greater than Everest.

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And when you reach the summit you could find eternal everest...:angel:

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Originally Posted by Delta40

Oh you guys are just conning yourselves now! you say you like a nice body but really you'll take the girl who can cook a dish that agrees with your picky digestive system and will keep house for you and what you spawn while you wave it round with other women. Us nice girls always lose out!

sorry, couldn't resist it :angel:

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No way! I love to cook, it's almost offensive if someone cooks for me if they aren't passionate about it. And they better ask me to make them something someday.

As for cleaning, fire can do a lot :santasmil

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Originally Posted by Revolte

No way! I love to cook, it's almost offensive if someone cooks for me if they aren't passionate about it. And they better ask me to make them something someday.

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Sorry but the minority doesn't get a voice :ciappa:

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Originally Posted by Darcy88

Its about availability and demand. Emil is criticizing basic capitalistic principles and I find this interesting. As long as there is demand there will be someone there to fulfill the demand.

Sex will always be one of the greatest commodities on the market. And you have to pay for it no matter what. An educated person will look down on an uneducated person, an attractive person will look down on an unattractive person. If you have a big truck or a shiny car or if you are highly sophisticated or physically attractive you will thus have in your possession the goods needed to exchange on the sexual market for your desired product - sex. It sounds harsh and brutal and ugly to think in such terms but its true. If I had a dime for every time I've been rejected for lacking one of if not all of the above assets I would have enough wealth I could build a mound of gold taller and greater than Everest.

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Well, didn't you already tell us you're mega-good-looking and possess the ability to charm almost any woman? Confidence I imagine is an equally important commodity.

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Originally Posted by tonywalt

Hhmm, I have just noticed that no guys on this thread are into Supermodels

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I like Supermodels, just not the female kind.

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I completely agree darcy, I was just pointing out that there are male models that catch a lady's eye.

I can only speak for myself but I have never liked this model look and I have watched girls around me obsess on the way they look. Just today I was discussing Botox with a friend and she wants it before her face starts to show and I just find that crazy.

I have never used make up more than a mascara because of this friend. She wouldn't let me see her face in the morning when we were younger cause she thought she looked so bad. I always said that with me what you see is what you get and I wanted my boyfriend to see the same face in the morning as he did the night before.

That being said, I can admit that I don't like everything about me but that does not mean I will go out and have it fixed.

The girl next door look I hear about here interest me, wonder where I fit in. Probably the 'girl three blocks down the street look'

Why no "legs" option in the poll?

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Originally Posted by Delta40

Sorry but the minority doesn't get a voice :ciappa:

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No, but the minority gets this :ladysman:

so heh! :ciappa:

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Originally Posted by shug

Why no "legs" option in the poll?

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good point haha.

Ok here is athought.
you meet someone over the internet you chat over the phone for days on ends and you exchange 'photos of your youth' pretending to be that same look and attractiveness.
you carry on chatting you get on really really well and you might even fall in love and one day you decide and have to meet.
the day arrives you show up and low and behold shock to the system one of you is not as attractive as the photo showed.
a) do you fall out of love?
b) you stick with it because looks are not important
c) you are heat broken and you do not know what to do.

please select which applies or add something else.

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Originally Posted by cacian

Ok here is athought.
you meet someone over the internet you chat over the phones for days on end and you exchange 'photos of your youth' pretending to be that same look and attractiveness.
you carry on chatting you get on really really well and you might even fall in love and one day you decide and have to meet.
the day arrives you show up and low and behold shock to the system one of you is not as attractive as the photo showed.
a) do you fall out of love?
b) you stick with it because looks are not important
c) you are heat broken and you do not know what to do.

please select which applies or add something else.

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If you think you're in love with someone over the internet and then you find they're unattractive when you finally meet to the point where it bothers you and you're "heartbroken" then you were never really in love to begin with.

Not to mention I would think true love takes time to develop.

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Originally Posted by Drkshadow03

If you think you're in love with someone over the internet and then you find they're unattractive when you finally meet to the point where it bothers you and you're "heartbroken" then you were never really in love to begin with.

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Exactly. I think if you truly love someone what you are in fact loving is not their body but their mind, their soul. They could lose limbs and be scarred all over and though it would pain you and cause endless awful grief, if you do in fact truly love them, you will stick by their side. That's the point of marriage. The point is the vow before God. If you take that vow you better damn mean it. That is my opinion, at least. Annoyingly its an opinion propagated by many but followed by few.

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Originally Posted by Darcy88

Exactly. I think if you truly love someone what you are in fact loving is not their body but their mind, their soul. They could lose limbs and be scarred all over and though it would pain you and cause endless awful grief, if you do in fact truly love them, you will stick by their side. That's the point of marriage. The point is the vow before God. If you take that vow you better damn mean it. That is my opinion, at least. Annoyingly its an opinion propagated by many but followed by few.

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so what you are saying is that it is not possible to have true feelings via the internet. If you cannot see the person then everytime an illusion and a disapointing one may be or not.
It is possible to love and be still in love with someibe even after they have suddenly lost a limb that is because both have been together and got to know each other and so love is stronger then looks in this instance.

About the vow before God it sounds rather heavy to me because whilst one takes the vow one does not get a vow back from God and so how do I know that the vow I took was an acceptable one or not.
I am the ype of person whon needs a kind of proof/reassurance that what I have vowed has been accepted and until then I have no guarantee. so I would much rather take no vows at all but instead take an easier route and that is to go with the flow and see what happens. No promises no hearbreaks and no tears.
I could take the vow for me for my partner but again a divorce is always round the corner and so breaking it is not going to look very good on me or on others.
Having considered both sides I think muc ratherf stick with I will go with the flow and see what happens.
That is life and that is how I see it.
That is all.