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I entirely agree, faith comes first but the existence of faith, or the ability to have faith, fosters an environment in which religion can grow, albeit that this doesn't mean that everyone is religious, but rather that if everyone has faith, then some of those people will have religion. And your second point puts across exactly what I was trying to get at, but a bit more succinctly!Quote:
Originally Posted by JCamilo
You have an interesting point here, and now I wish I had the ability to look into the mind of an ant to see how it is that their societies are held together. My question, though, as to whether ants are like poeple still stands. We assume, I think, that ant communities are held together by instinct (in the absence of any more compelling evidence) - are our communities held together by 'instinct' also, but we dress it up as something else? If this is the case then it still doesn't explain the prevalence and existence of religion in our society. I can think of only two reasons why this situation would occur, this is either that:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dante Wodehouse
1. There is a God, or
2. There is an evolutionary advantage to religion.
Unless you have some other thoughts? I suppose it is possible that there can be religion and neither of the above is true (look at the appendix - that still exists in every human but serves no valuable purpose!) but it seems strange that something can be so overwhelmingly intrinsic to our society and be there for no good reason whatsover.
Your point has definitely given me something to think about, and my hypothesis seems to need some amendment - not having taken account of the insects perhaps it is safer to say that humans are the most prevalent mammal, as opposed to species, but I'm not convinced this fits either?
I suppose the key point I'm trying to get to the bottom of here is : we live in a society dominated by religion - why did religion take such a stronghold and bring us to where we are today?
Well,What you r saying depends on the way u c religion.I mean,If u only regard religion as believing or not believing in god.Then,Religion isn't really evolution in any way.
But,If u c it as regulations that somewhat organize your life then it means evolution(just making sure i get it :p)
About the 2 societies,The first maybe more appropriately for a while.I mean,The other society will at a certain time need regulations and rules to organize its' "matters".
I think that the second society will have more suitable rules.For it is less likely to have inflexible or "not fully comprehended" rules or be used in an "exploiting" manner as religion might be used by certain people.
P.S.
I may have lost the point as usual :D.
bii,
may i ask you to search the histories of religion. if you do so you will be faced selfishness of human being and also pls check maya's their religions totaly different as philosopy and their social lifes so interesting. also check budha. it is not a religion and if you are understand it very well you will look yourself from air (to everything) and you will critisize your as if you are another person
Interesting essay dealing partly with that topic. Your analysis of it seems to depend on group selection, a notion which Richard Dawkins effectively did away with when he published The Selfish Gene.
1:) if anyone not atheist how can join to discuss any matter at philosopycial littarature. if some one doing so, is her/his aimed to make everyone believer!
2:) I need explanation, if someone atheist but not materialist. is it new religion!
3:)human been created many gods. for air, land, sea, fire etc When this things solved and when intangible words entered to language especially MAN act very fast and created intangible god that no one can impruve that it is not been
4:) It was (god - or religions) was revulationist but for that time only!!! we are not living at hat time!
5:) The right of judgement of god been using against people to make them afraid of god, of course it is good istrument to exploit people very well both economic and morally
6:) Although I am atheist I do beleive religions are our culture and we must give respect and save all of them. But importand point is the war against culture been acting in cotrol of cotrolling religious cultures and day by day with using religion; continentals becoming anemy eachother. just with this analysis we can understand modernisim of the west (emperialism)
7:) I would not like to discuss the religions but it th biggest weapon of exploiters. the head men of religion supporting this war because they know in pure religion there are no place for them.
8:) Pls everyone open your eyes. when the Soviet Block callapsed emperialist started to take rights back. with this purpose showing that third world counties people raising unemployment with western countries and with this occasion putting christianism against islam. meanwhile you can see bush or other presidents kissing muserref (pakistan president)
9:) cultures been created as long as human been history. without culture and society human been is not human been. this is beggest problem of the west.
(pls not misundertood)
10:)while creating culture human being used this materals of; Brain, five sense, nature and society. If onyone of this elements short pls guess what go'na happen and consider today social life in cities
First of all, I am more an atheist than a believer I am only a believer when my fears take control of all my thinking.
Funny that I found this thread since I was looking information to supports my theory that gods are hardwired in the brains of our ancestors, then somebody creates religion.
Imagine that you were in that times when you have so little control over nature, if you have a way to pass control of that elements to someone almighty then you can relax and function better that is why I think those who had the "god gene" survive.
and if you want to look at religion natural selectively, it could be argued that the "god gene" is now an overspecialized, archaic trait that doesnt correspond to our modern intellectual environment. its the human appendix, the oversized canines on the saber tooth tiger. worked for a bit, but now its just cumbersome and threatening our survival