February / Italy Reading: The Name of the Rose

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Originally Posted by Virgil

Governemnt, church, school board, family get to together - politics is always dirty. :nod: :)

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Even on Forums, one might add! ;)

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Originally Posted by Scheherazade

Even on Forums, one might add! ;)

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:lol: :lol: Yes, that is true. Hey what's with the smilie menu. It seems all screwed up.

The smilie menu seems fine at my end?

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Originally Posted by Scheherazade

When I read the book, I felt the same way too, Tersely. Footnotes would have made the reading more enjoyable.

I liked most of the descriptions and especially the parts providing political and historical information. It is amazing to see that politics have been dirty from the start, even within the Church.

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The more I read the more I'm was getting used to the language. It really was pretty enjoyable.

Was enjoyable? Means you've read the entire book? Gosh I am still on page 78, lol. I do still find these Latin phrases a bit disconcerting, popping up like that when I don't really have the means or the patience to write them down or look them up. But it is a wonderful read so far.

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Originally Posted by ntropyincarnate

ok...so as far as I can figure out (haven't had time to work on the other one yet)

Omnis mundi creatura
Quasi liber et picture
Nobis est in speculum

means

All of the created world is, as it were, a book, and portrayed to us as if in a mirror.

don't count on that being correct though, I'm only in Latin 3, I still have a lot to learn...

so the other one was easier when I actually looked at it, I couldn't figure out what suppellectili is but I got most of the rest.

"A monastery without books is like a citizen without work, a camp without numbers (doesn't make sense, but that's what it means), a kitchen without (suppellectili), a table without food, a garden without herbs, a meadow without flowers, a tree without leaves..."

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Thanks ntropy! Suppellectili is utensils or so they say over here

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A monastery without books . . . is like a city without prosperity, a fortress without troops, a kitchen without utensils, a table without food, a garden without herbs, a meadow without flowers, a tree without leaves

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Originally Posted by Hira

Was enjoyable? Means you've read the entire book? Gosh I am still on page 78, lol. I do still find these Latin phrases a bit disconcerting, popping up like that when I don't really have the means or the patience to write them down or look them up. But it is a wonderful read so far.



Thanks ntropy! Suppellectili is utensils or so they say over here

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I did...I read over night and into most of the day...its what happens when you have too much free time. I'm thinking on going back and re-reading it in maybe a week and taking more time. I'm sure it'll be better, just the Latin threw me off.

Cool! That you are re-reading now, it is always better on a second read! Try the link in my post above (or here is the main page), it has some of the Latin explained.

I started last night. I'll start posting some thoughts when I've read a 100 pages or so.

Wow It's Been A Long Time Since I've Read This Book, Finally I Have A Reason To Pick It Up And Read It Again...

I am on the chapter Nones -Third Day, I really did like this chapter and especially where William is talking of the lepers etc., of how exclusion of a set of people leads to discontent. I like this line and others connected with it

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"Scratch the heresy and you will find the leper"

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I am really liking the book! So much that I committed the unforgivable sin of reading while having a test tommorow, but I have done that so many times even remorse seems useless.

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Originally Posted by Virgil

I started last night. I'll start posting some thoughts when I've read a 100 pages or so.

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Would be glad to read your thoughts on this.

I'm about fifty pages in. I don't have time to post thoughts today. This is my second reading of it, so I am seeing so much more. I've really gotten into it, so I decided to order a book that explains a lot of the mysterious passgaes and translates the latin. It's called The Key to The Name of the Rose. This is it off of Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Key-Name-Rose-...2652859&sr=8-4. I've gotten so interested I thought that this was a good time to really study the work in detail. I ordered it last night and should come in sometime next week. I'll be glad to type out translations for passages, if it doesn't become to exhausting. But I do have certain thoughts right now, and I'll try to post them shortly.

Yeah, I heard about the book, will see if I can find it. Would be so great if you type it out or at least as much as you can!

I was also wondering if the history in the book is all true or is some of it fabricated?

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Originally Posted by Hira

Yeah, I heard about the book, will see if I can find it. Would be so great if you type it out or at least as much as you can!

I was also wondering if the history in the book is all true or is some of it fabricated?

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I spent a little time last year learning the history of the middle ages, and while I'm no expert the points I remember that have come up are accurate so far.

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Originally Posted by Virgil

I spent a little time last year learning the history of the middle ages, and while I'm no expert the points I remember that have come up are accurate so far.

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Eco is a specialist in Medieval philosophy and semiotics at the University of Bologna, so he does know his way with Middle-Ages and the whole context the book is set in. The historical context is in fact very precise, a conflict between the Franciscans and the Pope, instigated by Guillaume of Ockham about the wealth of the Pope. I believe Guillaume of Baskerville (the name Guillaume was chosen by Eco as a reference to Ockham as well) refers to Ockham as his friend in the book, but Baskerville also represents Ockham.

So I do suggest to read about this particular political, theological and historical context.

EDIT: Replace Guillaume by William, which is the English version of the same name.

Thanks for the info! I read this too which was very helpful. Hey Virgil, could you suggest any online reading for this?