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What can a twelve stepper add to this discussion. A warning. That stuff can sneak up on you. Still, many have no problem with the big A. Data from the Mayo Clinic indicates that 8oz of good red wine a day reduces your risk of heart attack by 40 to 50%. For myself, no longer an option. RJS
Drinking is no longer an option for me. One small sip...one giant slip. I have seen the light, as they say, for I have felt the heat. If you want to know what hell is like...even if you don't believe in hell...let me know...JS
"The first thing is to be there for support. Do not offer any advice as you are not qualified. Remember, by ***** checking himself in...and you have told him this...he has already made a positive decision. There is probably alcohol involved as well as pills. He is at his weakest and most vunerable right now. They, Detox, will probably put him on something to ease him off whatever he is on. So you will not see the same **** maybe. When Mom came to visit me I was so screwed up it took me a while to recognize her. Stress the positve. Ask about the meetings...not AA for he shouldn't tell you anything that goes on in the closed meetings. Better yet, let him bring it up. Keep in mind...HE IS SICK...both physically and mentally. Every day I have to admit I have a disease...I have the ability...with my support both at home and AA to at least put my illness at bay. But one small sip one giant slip. I know his Father will support him. Do not make him feel guilty for he is already going through that. Perhaps he has anxiety...supreme depression...suicidal thoughts...let the doctors handle that. A lot of this you already know. The most important thing is he hopefully will come to realize as this is very important to the healing process...Just as he took responsibility for putting himself in Detox...as time goes on he must cease the blame game and accept the blame himself. He has reached out to you as a friend. And to be honest...he loves you. Return the favor. Share this with his Dad if you like as I am way beyond caring about who knows about me. If I can help someone recover that helps me. Especially ***** for I love him like a son...I am always here if you need me Son...Love...Dad"
In fact I do not drink and it is better we avoid it for there is nothing moderation and people can not stop drinking once hooked to this habit, yet there is nothing wrong if one can limit to moderation.Quote:
Originally Posted by apstudent
Jesus was accused of being a "wine bibber" meaning one who drank too much.
As for me, I don't anything other than an occasional beer. And I sure like it!
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Originally Posted by Shea
I live in France and I go to a Protestant church (Methodist-Evangelical) where we have a choice of either red wine or grape juice for the Lord's Supper. Goes without saying that the grape juice is largely ignored. :D
At church socials (Christmas party, etc) we have wine or water, and fruit juice for the children. Don't expect to see a lot of soda. My impression is that Coke here is regarded as more "sinful" (harmful) than wine.
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I don't see anything wrong with alcohol. Then again, I'm not religious . . . but even so, I don't see why God would have such a problem with booze. He seems very antagonistic in general toward anything that produces pleasure, I wonder why this is.
There's nothing wrong with getting drunk now and again; it may not be very glamorous, but it is enjoyable.
Everybody in my family consumes alcohol in moderation. In fact, if I searched the apartment right now, I would probably find nearly two dozen of bottles of various alcoholic drinks in the living room buffet and kitchen, where they are kept. Yet, none of us in family has the habit of continuous drinking which is a purpose for itself - alcohol (we only have high quality, good alcoholic drinks) is treated as a more "special occassion" thing, perhaps sometimes we serve wine with dinner other than that, but normally it is something for when we have guests, or when something is celebrated. My parents taught me to drink rarely and in small quantities, to enjoy alcohol and not to treat it as means of getting drunk, as most people of my age do. Sort of "drink with style" thing. I see nothing wrong with alcohol in moderation, in fact in some occassions I consider it almost inappropriate not to serve alcohol. But then again, some other cultures perceive it as a nearly devilish drink - I never figured out any rational reason to consider alcohol to be such.
I don't see anything wrong with drinking in moderation. I see everything wrong with getting drunk. And I'm talking about like "smashed-off-your-head" drunk. There is no reason to. It's just bad for you. If I was against drinking alcohol at all I'd be a hypocrite, as I have had it myself, but not much and not often. When given the chance to drink it I generally turn it down. I don't think I know any religious people that don't drink (they drink in moderation).
Some of my relatives are introducing their children to alcohol at a young age, to curb the curiosity later on. I don't see the problem with this - although personally I think they should do it a little later on, the child is only 2 years old!! And he was liking it and managing to trick the other alcohol drinking adults into believing he hadn't had any yet and therefore getting more!!
I love the fact that the TWO year old drank more than the FIFTEEN year old (me) that day!! :lol:
Jewish tradition requires getting drunk. Many of our holidays involve drinking, some one of which involves getting drunk until you can't remember the difference between the Villain Haman, and the Righteous Mordechai.
So far as I know, this was only in Purim according to the Talmud. But the Torah teaches moderation.
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Originally Posted by cuppajoe_9
What about having a cheeseburger because you like its taste? Would that also be like shooting heroin because you like the feeling of having a needle in your arm ?
For me drinking alcohol because I like its taste (otherwise why would I even touch it?) is like basking in the sun because it gives me such a wonderful sensation (especially after months and months of dark and cold winter). But I do insist that, like sunbathing, drinking should be done with utmost prudence and moderation.
Just as the posts in these threads range far and away from the original question, so the doctrine of the many branches of Christianity strays from the teachings of the founder. In the first step away from Christ, the Epistles, we learn that there are degrees of good. Slaves are advised to submit to their masters, but if it is within their grasp they should pursue freedom. Men and women may marry, but for those who are able, a truly close relationship with God is best achieved through celibacy. Paul teaches that moderation is good, but often we should simply avoid things associated with evil for the sake of our weaker brothers. However tenuous the connection, alcohol is associated with drunkenness, dancing with promiscuity, card games with general irresponsibility, and so on. In other words, on these little farms, moderation is good, but abstinence is be-e-e-e-tter.Quote:
Originally Posted by apstudent
getting drunk is not a great idea, no. i like alcohol :)
well , it is your choice in the first place .. !!
yes it is pleaser , it is fun , as I see many people drink ..
but for me , I don`t drink at all .. not only because of religion , but also because of health .. mental state .. and mostly to avoid addiction to alcohol , do avoid damaging my liver ..
so , it is up to you