That is a good question for any believers.
But what is with drinking alcohol? Does it relly taste good? Nope.
If you are moderate it's all right. I don't mean it's wrong. And I'm sure some may like it. God said if we are ever to drink, we should be moderate. But I don't like alcohol and I will never touch it.
Friend, you are entirely missing the point. Drinking alcohol because you like the taste is like shooting heroin because you like the feeling of having a needle in your arm.Originally Posted by Hwin
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"And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess." Ephesians 5:18
I don't believe that light consummtion of alcohol is wrong, but it carries the risk of addiction which is why I never plan on having alcohol.
Wine is also "fruit of the vine", because it is grapes fermented. Grapejuice is double fermented.
Mon ami, I agree that moderation is what is best, and not at all is better for many. But when quoting scripture, beware lest it be thrown back into your own lap. Consider this one, for example:
PROVERBS 31:6-7
Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
When Carrie Nation went on her famous "bar bashing spree" with Bible in hand, hatchet in the other, at war with the "demon rum", bartenders everywhere were in a pickle. This fearless woman and her backers would wreck a saloon, and bust the barrels of drink. What could they do? They read their Bibles. When her and her followers swooped down on the next helpless saloon, they came to a halt. Scriptures were posted in frames on the wall. They searched their Bibles. Yes, the scriptures were there. So, they left.
It has been said "The Devil himself can quote scripture for his own ends."
I agree with you, but just wanted to warn you that people will challange you, and use the Bible to do so.
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I agree with not drinking the wine.....because the main precious thing that a human being can have is his awarness....and his mind..
.... so why a sensible man would like to lose the only thing that can make him different from an animal "sorry for using this term"by drinking the alcohol???
....it's very stupid to try it .... while you have the choice of keeping it..
you may say that you do drink the spiritual drinks..to forget your pain.....or to feel free......., well !! what you are doing is losing your freedom....cuz u'll be soon or later an addicted on alcohol.....whether u like it or not
all what i have said....was only about logice ..
....so it has nothing to do with religion..!!!
and you may find out that the religion does not say something just for the sake of saying it...., everything was said becoz of a purpose....
all the best
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Don't worry, mon ami. You're still on firm soil.
Correct also. They were first called Christians at Antioch, where Paul preached. Paul did not contridict Christ, so that is a moot question!
The problem is that Judaism does not accept that the Messiah has ever came. Jesus may be reluctantly accepted as a prophet, but not the Messiah. I do not think they hate his teachings, just cannot accept Him as Messiah.
Everything I've ever said is moderation in all things, or don't drink at all. I had an acoholic for a dad, and it wasn't pretty. But if you preach it, any of us, then we are bound to practice what we preach!
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Well, I didn't think he did either, which is why I was interested in hearing what that member would say in defence of his assertion . . .
I agree here too, which is why it might have been interesting to see the justification of that sentiment.
This is an interesting quote I've come across on this subject, namely, that of the disbelief that the world has had a Messiah.
We know more deeply, more truly, that world history has not been turned upside down to its very foundations that the world is not yet redeemed. We sense its unredeemedness.
--- Jurgen Moltmann, Judaic Theologian/Historian
As Kingfishers catch fire, dragonflies draw flame . . .
Why disqualify the rush? I'm tabled. I'm tabled.
As you say, an interesting quote indeed. But Jesus came to redeem the lost souls, by grace through faith that His blood made the sacrifice once and for all. Is the world ready to accept that redemption? I cannot answer that, for that would turn me into a judge, and God alone may judge the world. I think more are ready to accept it than we might think
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Some of us cry
Some of us smoke
Some of us lie
But it's all just the way
that we cope with our lives...
Since my posts deleted i have to tell it again. There was no insult. If there's any insult i demand you to show me where did i insult Christianity. Since when saying Ephesians were letters of Paulus and not God's words. And since when it's wrong to say Paulus was a Jewish. I didn't use any slang or i didn't tell any lie. How can i insult then? This is just being unfair and biased. On other threads some people i wouldn't like to tell their names, told much worse things about İslam (and they were LIE) and those posts didn't deleted. You are very biased and unfair.
No, it means us mods are human and don't always catch every single instance of possible forum rule violations.
Please PM me specific links to specific instances of said violations, and please, lets keep moderation discussion/ issues off of the boards and not derail topics, or they will be closed.
But i don't understand, really i don't understand. Where did i insult Christianity? If Virgil could explain it to me i'll be really glad. If i'd know how i insulted Christianity i'll be comfortable, but since i don't know how i insulted i'm really uncomfortable about it.
OK, but I don't have the exact wording that you used Turk.
But here's what obviously you don't understand:
(1) Paul is St. Paul, a saint in Christianity; not just anyone.
(2) His letters are part of the New Testament, the Christian Bible, the equivalent of your Koran.
(3) I don't remember the exact words, but your sentence was just filled with anti-semitism. Your hatred of Jews was clear.
In one sentence you insulted two religions. But I realize now that it comes from complete ignorance. Where did you study the religions of Christianity and Judiism? I doubt you studied them in a University. Obviously you just picked up anecdotes off the street. If I were to judge what I know of other religions, including yours, by what people say in the streets, then I would sound pretty ignorant too. No one here insults Islam or your beliefs.
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