Why I believe in God?

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Originally Posted by billyjack

happy festivus! the "airing of grievances" begins amongst my friends tonight. then its on to the feats of strength tomorrow morning

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Now there's a holiday I can get on board with. But the pole. Don't forget the pole!

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Originally Posted by limajean

See now you're talking as if you know for a fact. And you're misunderstanding me.
I'm not saying we don't have our different paths, perhaps yours will lead you to Heaven, and mine to enlightenment. Perhaps we are not all creations of one particular God, and when we die, we reach a level of spirituality we couldn't obtain on earth. But like i said, destiny can still exist, why must god hold our hand for us to fulfill it? Perhaps this is a test, right here right now. Perhaps he gave us free will to obtain our destiny on our own grounds.

Energy never remains still, you said in one of your posts you had studied science at school, if so, you would know this. Energy is never lost, it is recycled in many different forms.
I have many different beliefs, i've pulled from many different ideas. One i have always had is that we are god like creatures. We only use a small percentage of our brain, this has been proven, i belief the rest of it, is at a level that is almost god like - im not too sure what that means, but i think that we have the chance of being closer to a god by finding the divinity in ourselves - i believe that all the answers to such religious questions can be found in the existance of our being.
I'm not going to explain my beliefs here - if you're interested in buddhist views, look them up, but i've had enough of this forum.

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You never answered my question and I know that energy cannot be distroyed or created. My question is where is this energy directed towards. But since maybe you cannot answer, I will ask some one else.

And please, you are contradicting your self yet again. Once you said you dont believe in a god where most Buddhist do not believe in a higher spirit. But now you are explaining that you believe our brains are almost god like and it gives us the chance to be closer to god? Please set yourself in one belief, you either believe in god or you do not.

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Originally Posted by Redzeppelin

Well, yeah - I assume that's why we enter into discussions of this nature - to learn, to hear, to express, to understand.

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I completely agree, limajean I dont know why you are remarking that I have all the facts, I am simply expressing my own belief and views, if you have your own sets, then I doubt there would be any reason to be so disagreeable as you can stick to your own. The bottom line is we want to get to know other peoples religion and philosophy that will increase our knowledge about the diversity of the people living in the world today.

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Originally Posted by skasian

You never answered my question and I know that energy cannot be distroyed or created. My question is where is this energy directed towards. But since maybe you cannot answer, I will ask some one else.

And please, you are contradicting your self yet again. Once you said you dont believe in a god where most Buddhist do not believe in a higher spirit. But now you are explaining that you believe our brains are almost god like and it gives us the chance to be closer to god? Please set yourself in one belief, you either believe in god or you do not.

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i think youre misunderstanding me.
My beliefs - i take from certain aspects of life. God like was a term i used for a lack of a better one.

I mean to say, that i think we dont reach our full potential in this lifetime - and perhaps spend this lifetime reaching it, im not sure.

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Originally Posted by limajean

I mean to say, that i think we dont reach our full potential in this lifetime - and perhaps spend this lifetime reaching it, im not sure.

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Yes, you are confusing me, especially when as you regard God as not a being but as "a lack of a better one." I beg your pardon but I dont understand your definition of God.

"I mean to say, that i think we dont reach our full potential in this lifetime - and perhaps spend this lifetime reaching it, im not sure"

What are you trying to discuss here? How are you linking your ideas together? If you dont believe in a God, then could you possibly please remove the term altogether as what you are describing is a bit incoherent.
Thanks.

In point of fact when we have no answers of many questions we turn to God.

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Originally Posted by blazeofglory

In point of fact when we have no answers of many questions we turn to God.

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Who's we? I merely float in aporia. I turn, I think, to poetry, notably Leopardi, not to god.

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Originally Posted by JBI

Who's we? I merely float in aporia. I turn, I think, to poetry, notably Leopardi, not to god.

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Of course different people turn to different sources for answers.

Hi.

You all make probably good points and for me there isn't either something wrong with people who believe in a god or who know science. In the following I want to share briefly my attitude towards religion.

I am baptized and confirmed, I was altar server and my father is quite religious.
Growing up I started thinking why we believe in a God. It may seem provoking but to me, man makes a God up as an excuse for things happening around us we cannot explain yet.
What is interesting, is that the more science reveals, the less is a God, whom we can substitute for the question marks in our minds, necessary.
Nevertheless I do not oppose spirituality at all and affirm the strengthening ideals Christianity for instance teaches us.
Still, I dislike, how religion is used to stop process and progress of our understanding of nature. As far as I know, is creationism taught instead of the theory of evolution in many states of America.
There is a big difference between faith and knowledge. All theories, in order to be scientific, must be proven by experiments (or mathematics), anything else is philosophy. Thus we know that all discovered theories hold true and among us, isn't the excitement of science way more interesting than simply leaving it all to a "God" that is a variable for future discoveries?
Science and spirituality, and therefore religion, will always stay essential for humans to heed but the latter shall never get the upper hand over the other.

Thank you,

mellsom

Couldn't have said it better mellsom

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Originally Posted by skasian

Yes, you are confusing me, especially when as you regard God as not a being but as "a lack of a better one." I beg your pardon but I dont understand your definition of God.

"I mean to say, that i think we dont reach our full potential in this lifetime - and perhaps spend this lifetime reaching it, im not sure"

What are you trying to discuss here? How are you linking your ideas together? If you dont believe in a God, then could you possibly please remove the term altogether as what you are describing is a bit incoherent.
Thanks.

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No Skasian, i cant remove it altogether. Sometimes i feel like i should refrain from using the term God as i don't want you to think i'm talking about the God from your faith or making references to christianity. I dub a "higher power" "God" because i find no other name for it.

And yes, i do believe there is some kind of higher power - specifically a form of energy. But when i use/used the term "god like" i only used it to describe something greater than us, thus applying it to my belief that we don't reach that point in this life time, but it is my belief that we can achieve a higher state of mind that is GOD like.

Also God like is a term. I'm not trying to make it sound like we can all be rulers of the universe.

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Originally Posted by mellsom

Hi.

You all make probably good points and for me there isn't either something wrong with people who believe in a god or who know science. In the following I want to share briefly my attitude towards religion.

I am baptized and confirmed, I was altar server and my father is quite religious.
Growing up I started thinking why we believe in a God. It may seem provoking but to me, man makes a God up as an excuse for things happening around us we cannot explain yet.
What is interesting, is that the more science reveals, the less is a God, whom we can substitute for the question marks in our minds, necessary.
Nevertheless I do not oppose spirituality at all and affirm the strengthening ideals Christianity for instance teaches us.
Still, I dislike, how religion is used to stop process and progress of our understanding of nature. As far as I know, is creationism taught instead of the theory of evolution in many states of America.
There is a big difference between faith and knowledge. All theories, in order to be scientific, must be proven by experiments (or mathematics), anything else is philosophy. Thus we know that all discovered theories hold true and among us, isn't the excitement of science way more interesting than simply leaving it all to a "God" that is a variable for future discoveries?
Science and spirituality, and therefore religion, will always stay essential for humans to heed but the latter shall never get the upper hand over the other.

Thank you,

mellsom

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Unless I am wrong, creationism isn't taught in any states of America. Unless you mean private or religious schools, in those it may be. But in any public school it should not be.

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Originally Posted by limajean

No Skasian, i cant remove it altogether. Sometimes i feel like i should refrain from using the term God as i don't want you to think i'm talking about the God from your faith or making references to christianity. I dub a "higher power" "God" because i find no other name for it.

And yes, i do believe there is some kind of higher power - specifically a form of energy. But when i use/used the term "god like" i only used it to describe something greater than us, thus applying it to my belief that we don't reach that point in this life time, but it is my belief that we can achieve a higher state of mind that is GOD like.

Also God like is a term. I'm not trying to make it sound like we can all be rulers of the universe.

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I think if God exists, then no human term such as atheist or Christian matters. If God exists then all is in the will of God. Nothing, ultimately, would experience eternal suffering, or anything like that. We suffer for our own actions long before we have the right to point the finger at anyone else, let alone God, for our sufferings.

But also the existence of God indiciates that we should seek God out. If something is beautiful, seemingly truthful, and also satisfies your soul at the same time, can it be bad? No, we are interested in whatever is beautiful and truthful to us. God is the same as truth, and within God are the forms of all else. So whatever is beautiful or truthful which we see always comes from God.

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Originally Posted by limajean

No Skasian, i cant remove it altogether. Sometimes i feel like i should refrain from using the term God as i don't want you to think i'm talking about the God from your faith or making references to christianity. I dub a "higher power" "God" because i find no other name for it.

And yes, i do believe there is some kind of higher power - specifically a form of energy. But when i use/used the term "god like" i only used it to describe something greater than us, thus applying it to my belief that we don't reach that point in this life time, but it is my belief that we can achieve a higher state of mind that is GOD like.

Also God like is a term. I'm not trying to make it sound like we can all be rulers of the universe.

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Believing in a higher power especially in a form of energy can be defined as God, as God made energy and he can communicate with us by energy. God doesnt necessarily mean a being that looks like an oversized human with long white beard. He is anything pure, all righteous and clean.

Yes Skasian I know that, of course I know that - i just want to make sure that you know when i am talking of God, i'm not talking about the Father of jesus - though i'm not saying that's not who God may be.

I'm not silly, of course i know its not a man with a long white beard..