Suuurrrreee....;):DQuote:
Reality for me has never pailed to that of a book. there is nothing that measures up to holding the one you love - man that is not book ;)
There are days if given the choice of a man or a book, I'd take the book.:p
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Suuurrrreee....;):DQuote:
Reality for me has never pailed to that of a book. there is nothing that measures up to holding the one you love - man that is not book ;)
There are days if given the choice of a man or a book, I'd take the book.:p
Of course...I quite agree. But again, this is not always the case...Quote:
Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*
ha, ha, let's dig deeper now girlies...
Imprinting. Did you find that a bit...creepy?...
Reading the series was sort of voyeuristic. I really couldn't imagine myself as bella, and that basically is key to liking the books.
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Originally Posted by kelby_lake
At first I thought it was a very interesting idea; to know the instant you looked at each other, you were each others' "the one"...but it all got a bit weird with Quil and the little girl...and again with Jacob and Renesmee...would there really ever be any true equality between them, once the child grew up, when for their entire lives, they've been 'looked after' by their partner. When would the parenting stop and the partnering begin?
If they imprinted on a human, would that mean that the shapeshifters would remain the same age but their partners would still grow old?
so, are you saying that being unable to see yourself as the characters is what makes a book work? just want to make sure i understand.
I am with Kelby let’s start digging.
The imprinting confused me a little bit is there actually a physical act involved, it sounds like when I cat pee’s everywhere?
I didn’t mind the imprinting when it was Sam and Emily (I don’t have my books so if I get the names wrong sorry guys just correct me). I guess the fact that it was between two adults that made it OK. My stomach turned a little with it was Quil and the baby and then Jacob and the baby – and it still doesn’t actually sit right with me. SM went to great pains to explain that there was nothing sexual when it happened with a baby or a child but still there is something not quite right with it because eventually it will end up being a sexual relationship – or at least that is my understanding.
I couldn’t see myself as Bella either but that didn’t bother me much. I think people (women?) see her as weak but we need to remember that in most physical aspects in the first three books at least she is weaker than everyone around her (apart from the human’s). I get the impression that she was just as smart as Edward (remember the biology lab) and just as observant and fiercely independent to a fault. These are features to admire I think. Did anyone else get that?
What did both me was the fact that Sam had injured Emily when he was a young werewolves did that bother anyone else
Sorry just saw this - once they stop shifting they begin to age againQuote:
Originally Posted by faithalina
Yes, digging is always good.
I don't really feel anything about imprinting to be honest. I completely see how you are all creeped out by the idea of imprinting and the line between the caring relationship and the sexual one, if you know what I mean. SM describes the relationship as the werewolf being whatever the imprintee needs at the time, so when the imprintee is ready for a new kind of relationship, the werewolf steps up. Really, I think this concept is just so completely impossible that I cannot even fathom it, so I have no opinion. I find it slightly mind-boggling. And I know that there are a lot of impossible things and concepts in this novel, but this one is based on real human emotion and thus seems the most impossible for me. Difficult to explain...
I also see what you mean by needing a connection with the character to enjoy the book. I actually see a lot of similarities between myself and Bella (I don't think I'm quite so pathetic, though), in that I'm extremely clumsy and weak and stubborn to the point of absurdity. So in some ways it's a nice read because it's like writing myself into a ridiculous love story (don't worry, I'm not naive enough to think that a romance like this is healthy/ possible).
Guys does anyone know if Imprinting is actually part of the werewolves canon or is it something that SM made up?
Charm we should compare bruises one day if there is something to run into I am bound to find it. You are far from pathetic by the way.
Kelby would you mind telling us what is it about Bella that most annoyed you ? Sorry if you have answered that somewhere else. So we can discuss
I never really thought of there being a werewolf canon...Quote:
Originally Posted by Joreads
Ha! Yes, I have a lot of scars too:sick: Why thank you:)
Yes, I'm curious too, though I think it's fairly common amongst the readers.
there is a vampire canon so I assume there is one for the wolves for example the stand is that vampires cannot enter your house without an invitation - clearly not the case in Twilight.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*
If she did make it up it puts a whole new slant on it don't you think? I will see what I can dig up
Questions:
What do you think of Rosalie as a character?
Is her presence in the texts merely to antagonise and provide tension within the family? or is there more to her? What does she provide for the reader?
Ooh I hate Rosalie. She's a stupid selfish moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by faithalina
I don't think her presence is merely to antagonize. I think she's there to show the opposite viewpoint. All the other vampires were grateful to Carlisle for saving them and are happy with their "lives" and have matured to the point where they have accepted the fact that they will not grow and change. They have all come to terms with it except for Rosalie who is bitter and resentful, and petty in that she still only thinks of herself and how beautiful she is. It's a wonder Emmett puts up with her. I think she's there so that the reader (and Bella) gets the idea that it's not always easy to accept that fate.
I agree with Charm on that one. She was there to show the other side of the coin in that given a choice she would not have become a vampire. Her character was meant to balance out Bella’s obsession with becoming a vampire to provide her and the reader with what you miss out on when you come a vampire – kids for example ignoring what happens later of course
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I think also we needed to get a feel for just how alone Edward had been before Bella. He was really the odd man out in the family there were three sets of perfect, made for each other couples and yet he had walked along for 100 years until he found Bella. It is a really nice balance I think forever with someone verse a human life and everything that goes with it
I agree, and was thinking along the same lines also. I did not really like her, even at the end in Breaking Dawn, when she and Bella joined forces, so to speak, but I appreciated the contrast she provided, which ultimately equated to balance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joreads
You are right, the perfect partnerings within the Cullen family, definitely emphasised just how lonely Edward was, which further explains the rest of the family being so supportive of Edward and Bella's 'impossible' relationship and their willingness to include her in their family. Certainly highlights the whole idea of family being more than just 'blood'...no pun intended.
Breaking Dawn was very different to the previous 3 books. It wasn't spectacular, that is for sure, though I wouldn't say I didn't like it. There has been quite a lot of negative attention given to this text, with some unhappy readers demanding their money back and so forth. To give specific examples as to why, would be to give away too much for those who haven't read it yet. In saying that, having read the series and being able to appreciate the various arguments out there, I must say that there were still some satisfying moments in the book that salvaged the overall story for me.
More than Blood I like it.:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by faithalina
Feel free to add it to the spoiler threadQuote:
Originally Posted by faithalina
http://www.twilightteez.com/
Check out the above site that actually have an Edward hoddie that says you guessed it
BITE ME
Thanks to Joreads, I read the draft of Midnight Sun, and I have to say it wasnt a waste of two and a half hours of my time. But, was it necessary? It certainly improved our understandings of Edward, but I believe that keeping Edward in the shade of mystery was better off. It was bit predictable at times, and overall, Midnight Sun made my imaginations of Edward less intriguing and charismatic. I agree with you Joreads, that it was far humourous in comparison to Twilight, and with the exceptions of being abit loose again, it was quite entertaining.
Some new moon movie news
Summit and Chris Weis have decided to keep actor Taylor Lauther on to play Jacob after months of deliberating whether or not he was too soft to play the bulked up Jacob of New Moon. Poor kid spent months bulking up in Gyms trying to hold onto the role.
And he is cute.
Initially in Twilight, there were sort of similarities. I'm a bit clumsy and I feel ancient.I read lots. But the whole character just seemed so forced, as of Meyer was trying to make a vague vessel which could apply to anyone, which probably is what she was doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joreads
New Moon she was very melodramatic but I didn't mind that so much- the whole 'saga' is a melodrama- but she turned into a nympho in Eclipse. If Eddie says no...stop pressurising the poor vampire. She is an absolute cow- she makes jessica tell some story to her and then blatantly ignores her and says how insignificant she is, she moans on and on about not wanting a party, even though the nice vampires have organised one for her...not exactly nice qualities, which is why I couldn't picture myself as her.
Let's be honest, the series is Mills and Boony. You'll enjoy it most by getting teenage kicks out of a fictional gorgeous man burning with desire for you.
They start filming in March due for release 20th November - WOWQuote:
Originally Posted by Niamh
Yeah, I wasn't impressed by the fact that she was suddenly all sex-crazed. It was weird. But I won't lie- I would really not enjoy having a party thrown for me, either. I would be upset if my friends did that, knowing full well that I don't like most of the people there, nor do I enjoy being the centre of attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelby_lake
Yep, that's exactly right!Quote:
Let's be honest, the series is Mills and Boony. You'll enjoy it most by getting teenage kicks out of a fictional gorgeous man burning with desire for you.
Any news on the werewolf front, Jo?
It seems, as far as I can tell that SM made imprinting up herself. I could find no other reference to it anywhere but I will keep digging.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*
The werewolf as a enemy of the vampire has been a long standing accepted "fact" so there is nothing new there. Strange then that Jacob could imprint on a 1/2 vampire?
Weird...well, maybe it's a "shapeshifter" thing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Joreads
Imprinting was made up, yes.
Why though? So there was a convenient excuse for Jacob's love for Bella? Her non-existent half-child? I don't see the point, really...Quote:
Originally Posted by limajean
I am with you. Remember that Edward tells Jacob that even if Bella picked him that he may leave her one day as he wouldn't have a choice. I think that was the tie at SM used to have a happy ever after. If they are enemies though how is the imprinting on a half vampire even possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*
Sorry Jacob never imprinted on Bella - still sounds like a cat peeing to me!!!
Or better yet, how could he imprint on an unfertilized egg? Apparently Renesmee is the reason he was in love with Bella all along...makes no sense to me, as she did not exist, nor did the notion of her.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joreads
To add dimension to the werewolves.
Certain things in the story are put there only to benefit something else. Or, highlight a point.
E.g When Bella falls for Jacob.
This was a device used to show how much she is in love with Edward because she CHOOSES Edward, at the end of it.
I really don't think it does, to be honest with you. All it really does is explain why Emily stays with Sam, after he mutilated her face. (maybe that is a touch crude...)Quote:
Originally Posted by limajean
Yep spot on with that one LimQuote:
Originally Posted by limajean
That sat really poorly with meQuote:
Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*
I think it adds more to the story though. It adds to the fact that they ARE supernatural creatures.Quote:
Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*
She also probably had a little fun with it...
Oh, I agree with you on that. I really don't see how imprinting adds dimension. I'd be far more impressed if the women had some choice in the matter- if they realized that the men they're in love with are not human, and chose to stay with them anyways. That says more about the werewolves to me than some ritual of unavoidable love at first sight.Quote:
Originally Posted by limajean
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Originally Posted by Joreads
The plotline or my phrasing? If it was me, I apologize. :)
I think that's more it than anything. It's a clever concept, I'll admit, just not one I find beneficial to the story.Quote:
Originally Posted by limajean
I am listening to the soundtrack as we speak. Did you know that Rob (Edward) wrote some of the songs for it. In the movie when he is playing Bella's song it is actually him playing - seems he is more than just a pretty face:ladysman:
Damn...can't resist men with musical talent!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Joreads
Yeah he wrote that Let Me Sign song too.
Yeah but CC, I think the book would be boring if it lacked certain details like Imprinting.
Me toooooQuote:
Originally Posted by *Classic*Charm*
I suppose that's true. What else would be be talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by limajean
See you later guys,
if I stay any longer CC will make fun of my pathetic logging out attempts. :D
Check!Quote:
Originally Posted by limajean
Hey lets talk about the, some would, ugly turn that Breaking Dawn took. In particular the baby what do you guys think. What was the purpose behind that.
http://twilightnovelnovice.com/exclu...lomon-trimble/
Interesting article by the guy that plays Sam
Meyer wanted to portray a normal lovely relationship. Meet- get attracted- kiss- date- marriage (because Meyer believe in the whole abstinance til your married thing)- sex-baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joreads
Jacob and Renesmee was just wrong. He was in love with her mother. Next we'll find out that he's actually in love with Renee...
Or maybe it's the Eddie part of the baby he's imprinted on :P
That is an interesting point about imprinting on Eddie's part of the baby. If they are enemies can that be possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by kelby_lake
I heard an interview with her somewhere on line and I wouldn't be surprised if we get another installment of the book - Midnight sun first I hope first.
I for one would really like to have a book on Jaspers story.
Kelby I didn't know Meyers church of choice until last night - interesting - if you guys aren't sure let me know - is that breaking the rules? I can PM you anyway.
Saw the movie for the 5th time last night - it is growing on me.