Help identifying this pre-wwII German book

[Mackessy]

I did not notice all of the other areas, I thought the list of authors was a list of members. So I am thinking this thread belongs in the General area.

I browsed the rules so and I do not think this is violating the rules, but this is my first post here. My parents used to own an antique store so a lot of things are trickling down to me that I am trying to identify. I have a few old books I need to get from my moms hous but this one I can not find anywhere.

This could be a very distasteful book, I can not read german but some of the illustations are... odd.

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Thanks for looking at this for me.

[OrphanPip]

It's some sort of German veterans magazine.

Badische Kriegerbund Kalender.

Badische refers to Baden, a region in Southern Germany, and Kriegerbund was a veteran's association. Kalender is calendar obviously.

My German isn't adequate enough to decipher the story with the odd illustration.

[DanielBenoit]

Looks like some proto-Nazi magazine. The cross with the helmet at the front looks like the Iron Cross which was later employed by the Nazis (and was previously used by the Kingdom of Prussia). And indeed the Nazi Party did rise to prominence during that time.

It seems to me that the illustrations seem rather racist, but I can't be sure without understanding the language. Though I know that "Boden" means ground and that "taumelnd" means tottering, but I don't think that really helps lol.

Though it also looks like a calender in the second-to-last picture. It's probably a magazine.

[Mackessy]

Yes I am concerned about the content of the book. I think that no matter how abhorrent the content the past should be kept around lest' we repeat it. Now the obvious question is there a market for these things? It is in bad shape but after the nazi book burnings I imagine these things are rare.

I want to repeat I am unsure if it is ok to ask for values here, i dont mean to break the rules. :hand:

If it is ok I have a few interesting books, including a 1898 (I think I dont have them here in front of me) Notre Dam De Paris. A first printing of Charles Coffin's 'Story of Liberty', and some other intersting stuff.

[Emil Miller]

It's an old WW1 German soldiers list of events for the Baden United Veterans organisation. The text in Deutsche Schrift is not easy to decipher without the a full page layout but it appears to be extolling the unification of former soldiers in the face of foreign encroachment.

[kiki1982]

Agree with the rest. But is it not an almanac, or something?

I don't know whether it really is preoto-nazi. Amongst the veterans of WWI in Germany there was a lot of dismay about the 'diktat' of Versailles, so it would probably be nurturing those ideas, but fascism was not popular and mainstream enough in order for it to be able to blatantly published. Hitler was arrested a first time in 1925 after a meeting of the NSDAP, I would doubt that a board of directors would publish something overtly fascist even if there were fascists among them.

The calender you have there is a list of feasts for the month of May, with the stages of the moon and time of sunrise. And the weather... Don't ask me ho they predicted that so far in advance, but it is... :sosp: It says 'windig' (windy), 'schön' (nice), 'warm' (warm), 'ständig' (steady, calm), 'kühl' (cool), 'regnerisch' (rainy)

It was published and put together by Reiff (I think, could be 'Reiss', but it looks more like an f), J.J. (but could be something else), by instruction of the board of directors of the Badische Kriegersbund for the benefit of their support fund.

The story is an argument between an ex-soldier and a man on the street. I discerned the sentence 'Why are the Germans even now still admiring the [unreadable] and running after the foreigners?' The subtitle says '...so he tumbled on the ground.' It wuld be great to read it, but you'll have to provide a better scan. ;)

hope that helps :)

[Emil Miller]

Following WW1 there were many soldiers who refused to disband and hand in their weapons because, other than the army, they had nowhere else to go.
Generally known as the Freikorps they formed many groups of veterans across Germany and, being still under the command of officers, were too formidable for the peacetime forces to deal with. They were, in any case, needed by the government to deal with the considerable threat of communism. They formed the nucleus of what later became known as the Wehrmacht.

[kiki1982]

Oh, that is interesting! Thanks for that info, Brian :).

I had always wondered how the German Wehrmacht of WWII was able to become so formidable without them being allowed to exist before... And without having any weapons to train with. But, I see, so the disarming process failed and the result was willy-nilly with the consequences we know :).

[Emil Miller]

Oh, that is interesting! Thanks for that info, Brian :).

I had always wondered how the German Wehrmacht of WWII was able to become so formidable without them being allowed to exist before... And without having any weapons to train with. But, I see, so the disarming process failed and the result was willy-nilly with the consequences we know :).

Well, unlike WW11 where Germany's defeat was self-evident, the German army was never defeated in the field, the armistice having been signed by politicians. As economic and social conditions in Germany deteriorated, many of the soldiers who had become civilians were incorporated into the para military SA under Ernst Röhm. The SA were later incorporated into the Wehrmacht making the German army the most powerful military force in the world.

[kiki1982]

I knew about the armistice being signed and the soldiers being informed, seemingly out of the blue, that the war was over and... Germany had lost it. Particularly people like Hitler, being in a hospital, wounded or ill, didn't see it coming at all and were suddenly faced with defeat and humiliation. Essentially, Germany had been forced to a deal that was frankly despicable and belittling, by the threat of civil war in their own country.

But what I did not understand was, how Germany got from being officially disarmed by the allied to being the greatest military power ever (or near that). I could see Hitler doing the Wirtschaftswunder by investing Germany's money in itself (a kind of New Deal, but a bit bigger and more ambitious, I suppose), but could not understand how you get an army that is not, into such a well disciplined and efficient machine in such a short time span. But that makes sence very much.

Learned something new :)

[Emil Miller]

I knew about the armistice being signed and the soldiers being informed, seemingly out of the blue, that the war was over and... Germany had lost it. Particularly people like Hitler, being in a hospital, wounded or ill, didn't see it coming at all and were suddenly faced with defeat and humiliation. Essentially, Germany had been forced to a deal that was frankly despicable and belittling, by the threat of civil war in their own country.

But what I did not understand was, how Germany got from being officially disarmed by the allied to being the greatest military power ever (or near that). I could see Hitler doing the Wirtschaftswunder by investing Germany's money in itself (a kind of New Deal, but a bit bigger and more ambitious, I suppose), but could not understand how you get an army that is not, into such a well disciplined and efficient machine in such a short time span. But that makes sence very much.

Learned something new :)

Hitler had been gassed and was in hospital when the armistice was declared and was particularly devastated by the surrender because he had won the iron cross for bravery in the exceptionally dangerous post of trench messenger. The economic miracle that took place under his rule was effected by the economist Hjalmar Schacht who under the Weimar republic had ruthlessly dealt with speculators and pegged the Reichmark to gold in order to stop the massive inflation in 1923 that followed on from Germany's WW1 surrender and subsequent reparations. When Hitler came to power in 1933, Schacht was behind the financing of the rearmament programme but later fell out with Hitler and became an opponent of his policies.
There exists an interesting newsreel in which Joseph Goebbels is seen praising President Roosevelt's New Deal as being consistent with what was happening in Germany.

[Gilliatt Gurgle]

Fascinating Mackessy, thanks for sharing. Your inquiry has lead to an interesting discussion. I recall some of what Brian has shared from past reading, such as “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” (William Shirer), but it has been too long to regurgitate the details from memory.
However, I found this (lengthy) link to a specific page from “World War I: Encyclopedia, Volume 1” By Spencer Tucker, Priscilla Mary Roberts, on Google Books:

http://books.google.com/books?id=2YqjfHLyyj8C&pg=PA581&lpg=PA581&dq=how+was+germany+able+to+rearm+after+WW+I&source=bl&ots=BQk6YeQIZJ&sig=yjbq_biH8JsSl_T4R-5pYWRN6TA&hl=en&ei=XScuTeKpPIH98Aaa1sirCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CC4Q6AEwBA#v=onepage&q&f=false

If you have trouble with the link, then you should be able to search the title above and go to page 581.
Page 581 discusses the “Inter-Allied Military Control Commission” (IAMCC) and sums it up pretty well on one page.

Gilliatt

[Mackessy]

Wow, yea I have not heard much of this before. That is why I wanted to preserve this book for so long. It is funny to hear about the rapid inflation because I have a bunch of stamps with upto 3 million (german currency at the time).

I want to be respectful to your forumsand it's rules, but can anyone point me to a place where I can value and or sell some old books? I doubt this one has much value but I may be wrong. My parents used to have an antique store and I am helping my mother sell some of the items which include some old books.

[kiki1982]

Hitler had been gassed and was in hospital when the armistice was declared and was particularly devastated by the surrender because he had won the iron cross for bravery in the exceptionally dangerous post of trench messenger. The economic miracle that took place under his rule was effected by the economist Hjalmar Schacht who under the Weimar republic had ruthlessly dealt with speculators and pegged the Reichmark to gold in order to stop the massive inflation in 1923 that followed on from Germany's WW1 surrender and subsequent reparations. When Hitler came to power in 1933, Schacht was behind the financing of the rearmament programme but later fell out with Hitler and became an opponent of his policies.
There exists an interesting newsreel in which Joseph Goebbels is seen praising President Roosevelt's New Deal as being consistent with what was happening in Germany.

I knew he was in hospital, but not the details, so thanks for the info. :)

I also knew about the massive inflation as I also have some stamps with millions (more than 3 million, by the way) and I think even billions of marks.

Can't help you on the selling-front, I'm afraid, Mackessy. Sorry.

[kiki1982]

So, Windows Updates have installed themselves... Something occurred to me when my computer was doing that...

Doing family research I got onto a militaria forum. Maybe you could ask there. Your thing is not really to be called 'military', but it is in that area of society. Someone may be able to point you somewhere or at least be able to tell you a LOT more than we can. ;) (Although Brian can match them almost ;))The members were very nice to me regarding a vague photo from Poland and you can just go on there and ask them to identify something and tell you more about it.

http://forum.axishistory.com/index.php

Good luck with it. I don't think it is worth a great lot of money, but in the right place you could get some dosh for it ;). At any rate, you never know.

[Mackessy]

Thanks everyone for your help. I agree I doubt this is worth much. I wish it was so it would get preserved. I will get some of the interesting books and post some pics of them and see what you all think.

Jake