Ideal Women?

[Lote-Tree]

from another thread


Mr. Darcy. *sigh* There honestly is no man I would rather meet. There is something so captivating about the way Jane Austen develops her characters. She constantly introduces them one day, and by the end of the novel your heart is swarming with dozens of different emotions towards them. For example, Mr. Darcy is introduced as an arrogant, insufferable, ignorant, cheauvenistic elite. By the end of the novel, he is perfect for Elizabeth in every way possible. Why can't that happen in real life? *sigh*


But is Elizabeth Ideal Women to a Man?

1. Yes. And I am a man
2. No. And I am a women.
3. No way! She is a materialistic bovine
4. No. Way! She is all brains but no passion!
5. Elizabeth only attracts men with small danda and big pockets

[motherhubbard]

there is no yes and i'm a woman. I think she is wonderful and full of passion. I don't think deep pockets meant anything to her

[papayahed]

Why is there only 1 yes. The poll seems biased, but then again most polls are.

[Lote-Tree]

Sorry chapeses it's my fault...I was mainly thinking of men voting on this...

[motherhubbard]

do many men read Jane Austen?

[Lote-Tree]

there is no yes and i'm a woman. I think she is wonderful and full of passion. I don't think deep pockets meant anything to her

Deep pockets indeed did matter to her :D

[Bakiryu]

I like her and I'm a girl. I dream about her every day :D (wait, never mind, that's Angelina not Elizabeth :lol:)

Why is that poll so biased?

[Lote-Tree]

I like her and I'm a girl. I dream about her every day :D (wait, never mind, that's Angelina not Elizabeth :lol:)

Why is that poll so biased?

I really apoligise for this. Can mod insert another option.

Yes. I am women.

[papayahed]

Sorry chapeses it's my fault...I was mainly thinking of men voting on this...


Then why even have the woman option?:D

[Lote-Tree]

Then why even have the woman option?:D

He he thats true...i put that for just amusement :D

[Virgil]

Don't tell my wife. I dream of Elizabeth every day. :p :lol:

[Scheherazade]

I really apoligise for this. Can mod insert another option.

Yes. I am women. Does it have to be in plural? ;)

[Virgil]

do many men read Jane Austen?

I have read Pride & Prejudice and Emma and love them both. She's a great writer.

[cactus]

Actually I am quite interested to find out what sort of women you men considered to be ideal.

I am not sure if using Elizabeth is the right way to go since not many guys read Jane Austen. One of the best things I like about Elizabeth is that not only is she pretty she is smart and mild tempered. She finds humour in everything (especially when it is absurd), even when she was slighted by Mr Darcy in his comments. She is not a jealous sort and certainly not materialistic. In summary, she is a very rounded character.

As for Mr Darcy, I can drool over him every hour of every day.

[Virgil]

One of the best things I like about Elizabeth is that not only is she pretty she is smart and mild tempered. She finds humour in everything (especially when it is absurd), even when she was slighted by Mr Darcy in his comments. She is not a jealous sort and certainly not materialistic. In summary, she is a very rounded character.

That's exactly what makes her ideal. :) Smart, mild tempered, funny, and pretty. How can you beat that? :) Now my wife has three of the four. Unfortunately she's not mild tempered. :( Drats, and she can nag too. :p


As for Mr Darcy, I can drool over him every hour of every day.
I find him an air head, though. Rich, handsome, and no brains. :D Elizabeth will so control him. :p

[cactus]

Now my wife has three of the four. Unfortunately she's not mild tempered. :( Drats, and she can nag too. :p


Oh but nagging in an acquired trait... it develops as one becomes constantly exposed to those one has to nag to achieve a certain result... whether it is to get him off the computer (or LitNet) or take out the trash....;)

[lili student]

she wrote this novel because the poor status of women in her time. Also,fiction and reality mingle in that novel.

I studied that novel,and my teacher said that both darcy and elizabeth have the same characterstics. both they were stubborn, misunderstand each other,etc.

Although there were difference in the social class, she found her perfect match & darcy did.

[Virgil]

Oh but nagging in an acquired trait... it develops as one becomes constantly exposed to those one has to nag to achieve a certain result... whether it is to get him off the computer (or LitNet) or take out the trash....;)

hahahahaha, you must have a secret camera into my home. ;) :lol:

[B-Mental]

I really loathe this individual fictional character. Unfortunately she is very accurately written.

[Bakiryu]

Does it have to be in plural? ;)

For those with multiple personalities or Taliesin-like tendencies :p

[Lote-Tree]

Does it have to be in plural? ;)

Erm...no...I must try again to pass my English Exam ;-(


I find him an air head, though. Rich, handsome, and no brains. :D Elizabeth will so control him. :p

That's why I said Elizabeth attracts men of "small" everything and big pockets :D

[SleepyWitch]

i voted materialistic bovine, although that does sound a bit harsh/exaggerated
:lol:

[Lote-Tree]

i voted materialistic bovine, although that does sound a bit harsh/exaggerated
:lol:

Sleepy I see you can be very Cruel :D

[Niamh]

what about an option of;
not sure. Im a woman not a man and dont know what men expect in their ideal woman and wouldnt assume otherwise.

[sciencefan]

It's impossible for one woman to be every man's ideal since people are attracted to different things.
Bingley wasn't attracted to her; he was attracted to Jane.

Darcy was attracted to Lizzie because of her impertinance.
I dare say I hardly know a man in real life who would appreciate that trait for very long.
He was also attracted to her "fine eyes".
If you asked 100 guys, I'm sure not all of them would find a woman's eyes her most "attractive" quality.

[cleo]

That's exactly what makes her ideal. :) Smart, mild tempered, funny, and pretty. How can you beat that? :) Now my wife has three of the four. Unfortunately she's not mild tempered. :( Drats, and she can nag too. :p


I find him an air head, though. Rich, handsome, and no brains. :D Elizabeth will so control him. :p

I'm going to tell Mrs Virgil!!!!

[manolia]

Rich, handsome, and no brains. :D

:lol: :lol: Seems like the ideal man :lol: :lol: Can you make him mute too? :lol:

[Virgil]

:lol: :lol: Seems like the ideal man :lol: :lol: Can you make him mute too? :lol:

:lol: No, I'm afraid not. There is a correlation between rich, handsome, and no brains with very talkative. It's one of Einstein's formulas. (R +H)^NB=VT :D :p

[manolia]

:lol: :lol: A good one Virgil ;) :lol:

[Janine]

Virgil, just found this thread - hey, 'nagging' is a trait learned from birth, from one's mother. It can be effective, in some instances....afterall, you guys do need a nudge sometimes to get you in motion. The word 'nagging' seems to be a catch phrase for men when they don't want to do something. Does it enter into Einstein's equation for women in any degree? Men nag, too, you know! *just making a stand for women here*.

[Virgil]

Virgil, just found this thread - hey, 'nagging' is a trait learned from birth, from one's mother. It can be effective, in some instances....afterall, you guys do need a nudge sometimes to get you in motion. The word 'nagging' seems to be a catch phrase for men when they don't want to do something. Does it enter into Einstein's equation for women in any degree? Men nag, too, you know! *just making a stand for women here*.

Yeah, Einstein figured out based on his wife that nagging is inversely proportional to the male activity level. He calculated that N=C(1/MA), where N is nagging level, MA is male activity level, and C is a universal cnstant based on female hormone level. :p He found that there are certain times of the month where nagging level went up dramaticaly. And he found if he kept her happy sexually, the nagging went down, but unfortunantly it did not last long. :lol:

[Janine]

Yeah, Einstein figured out based on his wife that nagging is inversely proportional to the male activity level. He calculated that N=C(1/MA), where N is nagging level, MA is male activity level, and C is a universal cnstant based on female hormone level. :p He found that there are certain times of the month where nagging level went up dramaticaly. And he found if he kept her happy sexually, the nagging went down, but unfortunantly it did not last long. :lol:

:lol: Which part did it not last long?... the absense of nagging or the male activity level? :lol:

[cactus]

:lol: Which part did it not last long?... the absense of nagging or the male activity level? :lol:

hahaha.... God that was so funny!:lol:

[Virgil]

hahaha.... God that was so funny!:lol:

Hahaha, now I get it. You ladies are bad. ;) I meant the respite from the nagging. :D

[Janine]

Hahaha, now I get it. You ladies are bad. ;) I meant the respite from the nagging. :D

What do you get? 'Respite' means, according to my dictionary: 1. a delay or postponement. 2 temporary relief, as from work or pain.
Is nagging 'painful' to you guys?:lol: Also, how are we bad? We are only pragmatic and often frustrated when we need our big strong men to do something for us, that we can't do ourselves or it is something we know only he can do. That gentle nudge you all term 'nagging' could be just the catalyst to get him motivated.

[cleo]

very well said Janine

[Janine]

Thanks Cleo!

[Vash]

Elizabeth is the ideal woman simply because of her independence of spirit, good humour and humility. I personally couldn't stand being with someone who agreed with everything I said or did and didn't have an original thought of her own, or conversely disagreed with everything even when it was proved that my course was the right one. Lizzy FTW!

[Lote-Tree]

Elizabeth is the ideal woman simply because of her independence of spirit, good humour and humility. I personally couldn't stand being with someone who agreed with everything I said or did and didn't have an original thought of her own, or conversely disagreed with everything even when it was proved that my course was the right one. Lizzy FTW!

And the fact that she was "Thrilled" by the "Size" of Darcy's Estate does not bother you ;-)

[B-Mental]

You know what bothers me...indigestion, this is indigestible!

[Vash]

And the fact that she was "Thrilled" by the "Size" of Darcy's Estate does not bother you ;-)

Well, who am I to judge how she feels about the size of Darcy's "Estate"? ;) She seemed partial to Whickham, who had nothing at all :lol: ...I don't think things like that mattered to her.

[Lote-Tree]

Well, who am I to judge how she feels about the size of Darcy's "Estate"? ;)


You can say she is a Materialistic Bovine :D

[sciencefan]

Well, who am I to judge how she feels about the size of Darcy's "Estate"? ;) She seemed partial to Whickham, who had nothing at all :lol: ...I don't think things like that mattered to her.I agree with you.

If you read closely, you will see by Jane's response that her comment about the estate was a joke - not a serious comment.

Besides that, if Elizabeth was primarily concerned with her own financial security, she would have accepted Mr. Collins' proposal which - according to Mrs. Bennett - would have secured them all for the rest of their lives.

[Lote-Tree]

Besides that, if Elizabeth was primarily concerned with her own financial security, she would have accepted Mr. Collins' proposal which - according to Mrs. Bennett - would have secured them all for the rest of their lives.

Security? If this she wanted she could have married a vicar. But she didn't it.

It's the Big Estate and not his manhood that she was interested in :D

[sciencefan]

The fact is that Elizabeth wanted someone who was emotionally and intellectually her equal.

Money had nothing to do with it.

[Lote-Tree]

Money had nothing to do with it.

I think 10,000 year had everythig to do with ;-)

[sciencefan]

I think 10,000 year had everythig to do with ;-)I'm confused by your post.
I am dead serious, and you are winking.
Are you just trying to get the last word, or something?
Because you are WRONG.

[Lote-Tree]

I am dead serious,...


Why?



Because you are WRONG.

Elizabeth moved in a world where money mattered not just security.

[LadyW]

Elizabeth Bennet...
I donot believe that her attatchment to Darcy was based on his fortune entirely. Naturally, she wasn't oblivious to his grand income and did view it as an advantageous match in this sense; I highly doubt this was her reasoning for accepting him.
If I remember correctly, she declined his offer once before when she was fully aware of his wealth.

[sciencefan]

Why?



Elizabeth moved in a world where money mattered not just security.
We have a misunderstanding because in my mind, money creates security. When I said security, I meant financial security.

[sciencefan]

Elizabeth Bennet...
I donot believe that her attatchment to Darcy was based on his fortune entirely. Naturally, she wasn't oblivious to his grand income and did view it as an advantageous match in this sense; I highly doubt this was her reasoning for accepting him.
If I remember correctly, she declined his offer once before when she was fully aware of his wealth.Exactly. This proves she was not marrying him for his money or for his big estate or whatever other financial symbol.

[Lote-Tree]

Elizabeth Bennet...
I donot believe that her attatchment to Darcy was based on his fortune entirely.


You said it! :D In the world she moved in that was Everything :D



Naturally, she wasn't oblivious to his grand income and did view it as an advantageous match in this sense;


She was thrilled by it :D It was not just a mere advantageous thing ;-)



I highly doubt this was her reasoning for accepting him.


You can doubt whatever you like. But the world she moved in - she could not wish for anything else. :D