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    Why are we born?

    Indeed it is very intriguing to ask this question. For nobody can say certainly and of course confidently why we are born.

    Indeed life is so short, and it passes finally. We plant so many dreams yet we can not see fruition. We value life and behave as if we we are immortal. We keep on amassing so much wealth, and build houses, and yet we are unsure whether we can really really live there.

    Are these questions as to why we are born and are here are immaterail?
    We are just and get finshed off, and our egos, and feelings, and the idea of God, consciousness or immortality are nonesense?

    Planets and other celestial beings or bodies are simply things that get blown up into void?

    This universe is so vast, and limitless and it goes expanding eternally.


    It gives me an inkling of timelessness and spacelessness.

    Is there a creator? If there is how is He. Is he the way we came to know through mythologies?

    I feel if there is God, he has nothing to do with our praise or reprisal. He is above all worldy attributes. He has no role in everything we do.

    “Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””

    “If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.

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    What we know for certain is that we are 'built' to procreate and to flee from death. There is an inner purposiveness to live. Surely suicide is always an option, but as you can see, it's the exception, not the rule. All the rest---the cars, big homes, hot jobs, next vacation---are anchored to the passions. We can't deny them, they're built into the very structure of our consciousness, or else there would be no sense of awareness to them.

    Myth is a way to answer the question you posed, but they are just a bunch of stories designed to make people sort out their own lives, the way Tolstoy's Ivan Illitch reports his own life and death.

    We all could be myths, like smoke, lingering over this infernal machine, life.
    "He was nauseous with regret when he saw her face again, and when, as of yore, he pleaded and begged at her knees for the joy of her being. She understood Neal; she stroked his hair; she knew he was mad."
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    Did I request thee, Maker, from my clay
    To mould me Man? Did I beseech thee,
    From Darkness to promote me?
    --Milton, Paradise Lost


    I don't think there is a reason we are born. Nor is there a reason for us to live. We live as we die--alone. The key is to make a meaning for oneself, and to enjoy this experience of living as much as possible in the time allotted.
    "The lyf so short, the craft so longe to lerne..."
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    "To be interested in the changing seasons is a happier state of mind than to be hopelessly in love with spring."
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    We are born because of the result of a difficult biological process instigated by the sexual intercourse of two human beings.

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    Because we're not hatched.
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    Man is not born with a reason. It is something we must find throughout the course of our lives. No one asked or wished to be born into this world, but reality cannot be changed.

    Personally, I believe that our reason for living Is derived from those around us. We live for the people we know, who share with us the same reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stlukesguild View Post
    Because we're not hatched.
    Speak fer yerself!
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    "It is not that I am mad; it is only that my head is different from yours.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by City Of Dreams View Post
    Personally, I believe that our reason for living Is derived from those around us. We live for the people we know, who share with us the same reality.
    I doubt it, perhaps some people do but thats not a catch all answer.

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    We were born to reproduce those better than us, until we reached perfection.

    But why? Someone out there exists and he/she/it was bored? ...Scary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariami View Post
    We were born to reproduce those better than us, until we reached perfection.

    But why? Someone out there exists and he/she/it was bored? ...Scary.
    This is really interesting. Indeed ideas get perfected, new ideas crop up when they are shared with others. I am really moved by this idea, the idea that man is born to reproduce refined beings, more advanced and of course evolved than what he is now.

    Everything is moving towards perfection and this fact is both scientifically and spiritually true.

    I really like this idea. This is the intention of mine to read such idealoas.

    The advantage of sharing ideas through the thread is we at times arrive at ideas that are more refined.

    This idea that man is born to reproduce and to move to or reach perfection is a dimension of truth I have not realize or visualize before.

    After reading this post I am at least a step ahead towards truth. This is one of the answers I am satisfied with.

    “Those who seek to satisfy the mind of man by hampering it with ceremonies and music and affecting charity and devotion have lost their original nature””

    “If water derives lucidity from stillness, how much more the faculties of the mind! The mind of the sage, being in repose, becomes the mirror of the universe, the speculum of all creation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blazeofglory View Post
    This is really interesting. Indeed ideas get perfected, new ideas crop up when they are shared with others. I am really moved by this idea, the idea that man is born to reproduce refined beings, more advanced and of course evolved than what he is now.

    Everything is moving towards perfection and this fact is both scientifically and spiritually true.

    I really like this idea. This is the intention of mine to read such idealoas.

    The advantage of sharing ideas through the thread is we at times arrive at ideas that are more refined.

    This idea that man is born to reproduce and to move to or reach perfection is a dimension of truth I have not realize or visualize before.

    After reading this post I am at least a step ahead towards truth. This is one of the answers I am satisfied with.
    Yet what is perfection? And what will we do after humankind has reached there, will there be no meaning to reproduce anymore?

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    primarily, we are born for the continuity of the human race.

    maybe we were born so that we can tell others what it was like to be living--others including alien lifeforms.

    maybe we were born so that the earth could have something to nurture and so that it would also have an end.

    maybe we were born so that the truth could be found.

    maybe we were bron so the truth could be hidden in the earth and man wou8ld have to journey through it so that he could find it, thus bringing life to the earth.

    sorry, i'm not really up for a serioous philosophical discussion now. but hey, there;s a philosophical statement. serious and philosophical..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mariami View Post
    We were born to reproduce those better than us, until we reached perfection.
    The Extinction is human 's last perfection
    Who I am.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blazeofglory View Post
    This is really interesting. Indeed ideas get perfected, new ideas crop up when they are shared with others. I am really moved by this idea, the idea that man is born to reproduce refined beings, more advanced and of course evolved than what he is now.

    Everything is moving towards perfection and this fact is both scientifically and spiritually true.

    I really like this idea. This is the intention of mine to read such idealoas.

    The advantage of sharing ideas through the thread is we at times arrive at ideas that are more refined.

    This idea that man is born to reproduce and to move to or reach perfection is a dimension of truth I have not realize or visualize before.

    After reading this post I am at least a step ahead towards truth. This is one of the answers I am satisfied with.
    I'm not satisfied with it though, the main reason is that I don't think the statement that we are evolving (in a biological sense) toward perfection is true.
    If you understand evolution then you must aknowledge that selection pressures are what drive evolution - that is to say peolpe have to die without having reproduced in order for evolution to work.
    Modern medicine is very much taking the edge off of this process - many more people are living that if you left to nature alone would infact die. For example If it were left to nature I would not be here to type this post as my mother is type 1 diabetic and would have died in her early teens. Also with fertility treatments even people who cant reproduce naturally are now able to (in a large part anyway).
    Plus when you factor in that the more intellectual people tend to have more demanding careers and have fewer children as a result (this is very apparent in western society) there is actually a negative impact on evolution - i.e. as a species not only are we no longer evolving as we should be but we are actually putting negative selection pressures on ourselves and might well be degenerating (or whatever the opposite of evolution is).

    However I agree that our culture and civilisation is evolving.

    Edit: A quick google produced this site http://www.onelife.com/evolve/degen.html seems to discuss some of these ideas though I've only given it a cursory glance.
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    The problem I have with the idea of us continually evolving into perfect beings is this: if becoming a perfect race was the goal, why weren't we just born a perfect race?

    I think that maybe we were created by a fluke. Something random just happened and we in fact have no purpose. Life is to be lived how you wish it to be lived. If you wish to give it a purpose, then you can do so. If you wish to just float around in life living it, that's cool too. Life is like a blank slate you can project your philosophies and aspirations onto.

    In response to Drapperdrake's ideas about human degeneration (along with the link he put up), I think that whether or not it's true, it's very creepy. Eerily reminiscent of Hitler's Eugenics. Even though the link tries to say that the idea shouldn't be judged because of what Hitler did, think about it. How could the information that our gene pool is being tarnished be positively used without killing those who are tarnishing the gene pool or sterilizing them? It can't be used, really. And do we really have the right to kill or sterilize people just to keep the gene pool up? And who are we to say whether someone is tarnishing the gene pool or not? There are some people who are physically or mentally handicapped in certain areas who excel in others. What would you do with a person who was socially handicapped yet was an amazing mathematician? He degenerates the gene pool in one way yet enriches it in another way.
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