Sorry to intrude in on this particular topic in such an abrupt manner, but do either of you gentlemen have a view on such mundane matters as the FIFA Stitch Up, or Russian Honey Traps for errant British MP's?
I figure it must have something to do with the fact the word 'govern' means, 'to rule over', and the word 'ment' means 'mind' - so I can only assume FIFA and British MP's are two examples of what controls our minds - if we allow them.
'GOVERN MENT' loves us ! Of this we may be sure. They would never lie to us. But why must I seek a painless divorce ?? And find one - though on another planet ?
And here, of sound mind - reminding me of a time when I heard them, in London.
Sorry to intrude in on this particular topic in such an abrupt manner, but do either of you gentlemen have a view on such mundane matters as the FIFA Stitch Up, or Russian Honey Traps for errant British MP's?
Last edited by Musicology; 12-07-2010 at 07:06 AM.
My plodding steps are somewhat at variance with your free wheeling, mountain goat leaps of imagery. Do you come from Irish stock?
Your response seemed to start off slowly enough with a word structure analysis that was much appreciated. But then, something seemed to kick in as you progressed with remorseless acceleration into dealing with divorce and outer space!
17th Century English Hymn
John Bunyan (1622-1688)
'Who would true valour see' ?
Who would true Valour see
Let him come hither;
One here will Constant be,
Come Wind, come Weather.
There's no Discouragement,
Shall make him once Relent,
His first avow'd Intent,
To be a Pilgrim.
Who so beset him round,
With dismal Storys,
Do but themselves Confound;
His Strength the more is.
No Lyon can him fright,
He'l with a Gyant Fight,
But he will have a right,
To be a Pilgrim.
Hobgoblin, nor foul Fiend,
Can daunt his Spirit:
He knows, he at the end,
Shall Life Inherit.
Then Fancies fly away,
He'l fear not what men say,
He'l labour Night and Day,
To be a Pilgrim.
Gentlemen please!
I can no longer bear witness to such verbal assaults tearing each other asunder...
Robert,
Let us sip the wine of civility and open our minds to the possibilities of Bachandel. Once again, Churchill’s wisdom may provide the answer to solving the riddle…”…I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears, and sweat.”
Have you ever read Chrichton my friend? DNA…DNA will lead the way. Traces must exist, perhaps blood on a string from playing pizzicato, tears on a sheet of music or sweat on the organ keys.
Yanni, I was only half joking regarding my DNA reference. Seriously, is it possible to take samples of DNA from what we presume to be Bach's remains and Handel's remains to have them analyzed? This may prove whether or not, they are one in the same person.
Originally Posted by Musicology
17th Century English Hymn
John Bunyan (1622-1688)
'Who would true valour see' ?
Who would true Valour see
Let him come hither;
One here will Constant be,
Come Wind, come Weather.
There's no Discouragement,
Shall make him once Relent,
His first avow'd Intent,
To be a Pilgrim.
Who so beset him round,
With dismal Storys,
Do but themselves Confound;
His Strength the more is.
No Lyon can him fright,
He'l with a Gyant Fight,
But he will have a right,
To be a Pilgrim.
Hobgoblin, nor foul Fiend,
Can daunt his Spirit:
He knows, he at the end,
Shall Life Inherit.
Then Fancies fly away,
He'l fear not what men say,
He'l labour Night and Day,
To be a Pilgrim.
Gentlemen, I like the new approach to this discussion.
remember this one?
The shaman wore a necromancer’s cloak
Mambrinos helmet placed on his head.
He began to pour the ashes out
The minstrel hermit lay down and read….
(end Gilliatt)
(Begin Scott):
“Not that, in sooth, o’er mortal urn
Those things inanimate can mourn,
But that the stream, the wood, the gale,
Is vocal with the plaintive wail
Of those who, else forgotten long,
Lived in the poet’s faithful song,
And, with the poets parting breath,
Whose memory feels a second death.
The maid’s pale shade, who wails her lot,
That love, true love should be forgot,
From rose and hawthorn shakes the tear
Upon the minstrel’s bier:
The phantom knight, his glory fled,
Mourns o’er the field he heaped with dead,
Mounts the wild blast that sweeps amain
And shrieks along the battle plain;
The chief whose antique crownlet long
Still sparkled in the feudal song,
Now, from the mountains misty throne,
Sees, in the thanedom once his own,
His ashes undistinguished lie,
His place, his power, his memory die;
His groans the lonely caverns fill,
His tears of rage impel the rill;
All mourn the minstrel’s harp unstrung,
Their name unknown, their praise unsung.”
(Sir Walter Scott – “Lay of the Last Minstrel”; Canto V, Part II)
19th Century Librarian Letter
Civic Library
Bologna
Italy
Internal document by 19th century Librarian of the music Academy of Bologna, Italy. Recording that, contrary to myth, W.A. Mozart, during a musical examination taken in Bologna as a 14 year old boy during his visit to there of 12th October 1770 (when he wished to become a musical member of the Academy of Bologna), did NOT complete the required musical examination successfully. Also recording that the results were a musical failure for Mozart. And even describing what happened next. Padre Martini (a friend of the Mozart family there in Italy and essential for the growing reputation of the 'genius') re-wrote the exam paper FOR Mozart minutes afterwards (which Mozart then faithfully copied and submitted as his own entry for membership). This done as an act of friendship by Padre Martini so that Mozart could become a member. With only Mozart, his father and Padre Martini knowing this fact.
By 1846 (after a ton of other publications) this sequence of stage managed events had been forgotten by Mozart biographers and Mozart was routinely being credited with having passed the Bologna exam successfully on his own ! In fact both versions of what he wrote at Bologna still exist today showing the actual attempt by Mozart was filled with basic musical mistakes. These corrected by Martini before Mozart submitted the second (now corrected version) we know today. This is damning evidence (supported by other kinds) that during the early 1770’s W.A. Mozart as a teenager had still learned almost nothing of counterpoint and composition. A fact confirmed by other documentary evidence. The idea that he, within two years, is said to have written over 150 works in all forms (including serenades, sonatas, concertos, operas, etc) is patently absurd. At no point in his life did Mozart study music theory or composition in any detail.
First publication on the internet of an image of this letter. (Courtesy L. Bianchini, A. Taboga and staff of Civic Library of Bologna, Italy).
Last edited by Musicology; 12-10-2010 at 11:02 AM.
19th Century Librarian Letter
Civic Library
Bologna
Italy
"...Padre Martini (a friend of the Mozart family there in Italy and essential for the reputation of the 'genius') re-wrote the exam paper FOR Mozart minutes afterwards (which Mozart then faithfully copied and submitted as his very own entry for membership). This done as an act of friendship by Padre Martini done so that Mozart could become a member. With only Mozart, his father and Padre Martini knowing this fact..."
Padre Martini !!
Now there's a blast from the past!
I remember him from the Sonata days back in Dumas...
“…The town Priest and teacher, Padre Martini remained seated at the table where he and the Terrier had been discussing the ominous events over the past few weeks. There was a strong bond between Jack Russell and the Padre. Padre Martini looked quite shaken but not stirred.
“…The town Priest and teacher, Padre Martini remained seated at the table where he and the Terrier had been discussing the ominous events over the past few weeks. There was a strong bond between Jack Russell and the Padre. Padre Martini looked quite shaken but not stirred.
'' (here) In Folio 2 and 3 are Antiphons written in autograph by Mozart himself who was a youngster and also a Knight who wanted to be a member of the Order of Philarmonica in Bologna. There is also a document written by Padre Martini of the 12th October of 1770 which show that, because that Antiphon was in four parts on a Cantus Firmus it did not obtain a great effect because it was made contrary to the rule of that style, so Padre Martini considered this examination produced by the hand of Mozart would not be accepted by those strict academics. Considering there would be many difficulties to admit Mozart, Padre Martini rewrote from the beginning to the end himself this same Antiphon proclaiming that it was actually produced by Mozart. So without problem Mozart was honoured with the diploma of Master composer and became a member of the Philarmonic Academic, despite the fact that he also not reached the age required by the rules of this Academy.
The version of the Antiphon published in the book of Peter Lichtenthal entitled ’Mozart and His Works’ (Milan, Ricordi - 1842, in 8, p. 14 and 15) is in fact the same as made by Padre Martini - it is not the original music written by Mozart in the rooms of the Academy. And also the diploma written by Padre Martini that was reproduced there is different in some parts to the original written by Padre Martini''
The composer Dittersdorf(!)-http://www.hoasm.org/XIIC/Dittersdorf.html-noted in his biography* that Joseph II compared Mozart’s compositions to that of a gold snuffbox crafted in Paris(!!), while Joseph Haydn’s were those of a snuffbox finished off in London(!!!).
Originally Posted by Musicology
Don't you mean the Jack Daniels Terrier? Though I'd imagine a lifetime of emnity between the two.
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