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    Plot structure

    There is an interesting theory that says all plots follow the same structure, this is sometimes referred to as the seven point arc.

    I've tried to do some research into this but cannot find references to it on the internet. Does anybody have any information about this theory or where I can find information about it?

    What I know already about this theory is the 'standard' story structure has 7 stages:

    Stasis (the starting situation)
    Upset to statis (something happens, often 'bad')
    Quest (what the main character has to do to make things better)
    Barrier (something stops him from achieving his quests)
    Decision (the main character must look to himself and make a big decision, often a character changing one)
    Climax (not just any piece of action, must be followed by reversal)
    Reversal (the 'bad' situation is turned around)

    For example, take a James Bond story

    Stasis - the world as it is today
    Upset to statis - criminal mastermind threatens to destory the world.
    Quest - James Bond must save the world by detstroying the criminal
    Barrier - Many: the criminal is on a well guarded island, for example.
    Decision - not applicable to JB stories, because his character doesn't change nor does he in any way examine his character.
    Climax - big fight
    Reversal - he destroys the criminal's headquarters.

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    I found this a very enlightening and informative study of narrative practice:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seven-Basic-...8602702&sr=8-1
    "I should only believe in a God that would know how to dance. And when I saw my devil, I found him serious, thorough, profound, solemn: he was the spirit of gravity- through him all things fall. Not by wrath, but by laughter, do we slay. Come, let us slay the spirit of gravity!" - Nietzsche

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    You beat me to it, Loka - one of my favourites, as well.

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    A friend of mine once lent me a copy of "Writer's Journey" I believe it was, telling me about how it covered everything that happens in every story ever written... does everyone think that structure is applicable to every story? Including a surrealist novel for example?

    Because I guess the idea is that this human vision of the journey is metaphorical for the steps every human takes in their lives, is this so?

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    I was wondering, is that 7 basic plots thing related to classic fairy tales? I remember hearing in some lecture a year ago about a theory that all narratives follow one of (was it seven) basic fairy tale structures, and I've actually been keen to read more about that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ane View Post
    I was wondering, is that 7 basic plots thing related to classic fairy tales? I remember hearing in some lecture a year ago about a theory that all narratives follow one of (was it seven) basic fairy tale structures, and I've actually been keen to read more about that...
    Yes, you can read Propp, Jakobson, Greimas, Genette, Todorov...

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Laumness View Post
    Yes, you can read Propp, Jakobson, Greimas, Genette, Todorov...
    Interesting, thanks! I was always a bit turned off by Propp and all other formalists, but doing a quick search this seems really promising! What about Bahktin, didn't he touch upon any of this or am I way off?

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    He did. He notably wrote an interesting essay on Rabelais and on Renaissance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lokasenna View Post
    I found this a very enlightening and informative study of narrative practice:

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Seven-Basic-...8602702&sr=8-1
    Yes, I had to read this also for a former job. It was an interesting read, but I think a lot of criticism has been directed at Booker for 1) defining canonical literature pretty narrowly and 2) twisting plot lines to fit his study.
    Ecce quam bonum et jocundum, habitares libros in unum!
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    hero's journey base and plot above

    All wrong.

    It's hero's journey under and plot over. See the question regarding "Seven Basic Stories / 10 Movie Plots" at http://www.clickok.co.uk/issues.html

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