If god is everything, doesn't that make him evil as well as good?

[hellsapoppin]

''Calamity is not the same as 'evil'. Calamity can be the destructive results of a storm.''

We've gone over this before so rather than discuss it further, here's a quote from blueletterbible for the Hebrew word ''ra'' or ''rah'':


1) bad, evil

a) bad, disagreeable, malignant

b) bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)

c) evil, displeasing

d) bad (of its kind - land, water, etc)

e) bad (of value)

f) worse than, worst (comparison)

g) sad, unhappy

h) evil (hurtful)

i) bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)

j) bad, evil, wicked (ethically)

1) in general, of persons, of thoughts

2) deeds, actions

n m

2) evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity

a) evil, distress, adversity

b) evil, injury, wrong

c) evil (ethical)

n f

3) evil, misery, distress, injury

a) evil, misery, distress

b) evil, injury, wrong

c) evil (ethical)

Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 663
AV — evil 442, wickedness 59, wicked 25, mischief 21, hurt 20, bad 13, trouble 10, sore 9, affliction 6, ill 5, adversity 4, favoured 3, harm 3, naught 3, noisome 2, grievous 2, sad 2, misc 34
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H7451



http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/...gs=H7451&t=KJV


Interpret it how you will.

[bojangle]

God is within you. God is a power within you. God is courage, strength, happiness, freedom, God is virtue. God is the opposing force to what is bad in this world. Being with God is being in harmony with the good. This is what the Bible says, not what the intellectuals say. Their motive is to be the smartest guys in the room.

[hellsapoppin]

In other words, abortion and war victims lack the proper degree of righteousness to be in harmony with your god?

OK. Makes sense to me.

[bojangle]

In other words, abortion and war victims lack the proper degree of righteousness to be in harmony with your god?

OK. Makes sense to me.

I don't know if that was directed at me or not. The only God I know is the one brought up in the Bible. The God to the intellectuals can be whoever they want him to be. It's just students being silly. The church can lead those who can't lead themselves, can bring up issues that will give food to the intellectuals of the world so they can debate and write meaningless nonsense and call it philosophy. It's not real, just for appearances. "abortion, war, same-sex" <- just quibbling, bumping into each other like headless chickens. people who only read and never write. LONG LIVE THE CHURCH!

[hellsapoppin]

''The God to the intellectuals can be whoever they want him to be. It's just students being silly.''

The same is true for the churches. After all, no institution in history has killed more people in the name of the Bible than the churches.

[bojangle]

I don't know what that means. It seems like most people on this forum are trying to be the smartest guys in the room...

[BienvenuJDC]

''The God to the intellectuals can be whoever they want him to be. It's just students being silly.''

The same is true for the churches. After all, no institution in history has killed more people in the name of the Bible than the churches.

Seems like you're saying that it is not a religion of peace....huh?

[hellsapoppin]

''It seems like most people on this forum are trying to be the smartest guys in the room... ''

True.


''it is not a religion of peace....huh?''

The signature I use may give you a hint.

[Abir]

Religion is juste the manner bywhich people think it's the cause to believe in god , however the real belif is in heart and not anywhere.

[mazHur]

Religion is juste the manner bywhich people think it's the cause to believe in god , however the real belif is in heart and not anywhere.

Mind is clever and treacherous
sees everything with compound eyes
views pros and cons, risks and gains.
Heart, on the other, is naive, innocent
like a poor blind dolphin in the river
it views risks as gains.
Let mind be the guide of your heart
so it may not go astray
but sometimes, yes, sometimes,
It is advisable to let the heart free!

Heart is Faith
Mind is doubt..

[frenchchick825]

The only God I know is the one brought up in the Bible.
LONG LIVE THE CHURCH!

Just terribly curious; what makes Christian beliefs any more true than those of other religions? Had you been born in India you would most likely believe fervently in Hinduism

Organized religion can be a beautiful thing, but it has proven time and time again that can destroy just as easily as it heals and unites.
And another aspect of God that I fail to understand, the Christian one at least. How can he damn people to eternal hellfire as punishment for their sins?
Fear and God should not be used in the same sentence.

[mazHur]

Just terribly curious; what makes Christian beliefs any more true than those of other religions? Had you been born in India you would most likely believe fervently in Hinduism

Organized religion can be a beautiful thing, but it has proven time and time again that can destroy just as easily as it heals and unites.
And another aspect of God that I fail to understand, the Christian one at least. How can he damn people to eternal hellfire as punishment for their sins?
Fear and God should not be used in the same sentence.

God created everything in pairs...it is said and observed. Why then he shouldn't be loving and fearful at the same time??
Ever heard about the wrath of God???

Yeah, it is not only the Christian God that rules the world! All roads lead to Rome!

[YesNo]

Just terribly curious; what makes Christian beliefs any more true than those of other religions? Had you been born in India you would most likely believe fervently in Hinduism

Organized religion can be a beautiful thing, but it has proven time and time again that can destroy just as easily as it heals and unites.
And another aspect of God that I fail to understand, the Christian one at least. How can he damn people to eternal hellfire as punishment for their sins?
Fear and God should not be used in the same sentence.

I'm curious about this as well since I was born in a predominately Christian culture. It is sort of in my face.

In reading about Hell, specifically Mary Boyce's books on Zoroastrianism, it looks as if Zarathustra came up with the idea first. He also had a last judgment to punish evil in a molten flow of metal, which reminds me too closely of the punishment in Revelation for these two ideas to be unrelated.

Personally, I don't think Christian beliefs are any more true than other religions. You are not required to think so either, to my knowledge, although when ideas are in your face, it is hard to ignore them.

[Cunninglinguist]

''Calamity is not the same as 'evil'. Calamity can be the destructive results of a storm.''

We've gone over this before so rather than discuss it further, here's a quote from blueletterbible for the Hebrew word ''ra'' or ''rah'':

Bienvenu makes a point, and a good one. His is the whole idea behind felix culpa, or “the good fall,” which is a rather prevailing interpretation of Satan's fall and cannot be dismissed.

The same is true for the churches. After all, no institution in history has killed more people in the name of the Bible than the churches.

Not true in the least. If I stick strictly to how many people the christian church has directly killed it is so few as to be trivial. Indirectly speaking, i.e. religious war, it is still trumped by ww2, the Mongolian conquest, the Chinese Revolution, ww1, etc. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._by_death_toll And even thought religious aspects existed in some of these wars, they were certainly not, for the most part, the sole motivating force.

[hellsapoppin]

The modern day has a better way of recording life and death records. Past eras did not have census bureaus in order to ascertain how died from Mongol horde invasions or Crusader attacks on peaceful Muslims.