The puzzle of the socalled "Bach variations".

[MarkBastable]

. Why don't you speak clearly about what you think and stop being obtuse ? Are you restricted because of your loyalties ? Your posts are really like spaghetti. Am I alone in thinking this ?

As you're alone in reading it - yeah, probably.

I think this qualifies for some sort of prize as the longest thread with the fewest participants. I mean, I look in just to pick up a flavour of the discourse, but I'm the only one who does, I think. Still - you both seem to be having fun, and I'm completely entranced, as one watching the mating rituals of the gooney bird - so at least three of us are happy.

[Gilliatt Gurgle]

As you're alone in reading it - yeah, probably.

...but I'm the only one who does, I think. Still - you both seem to be having fun, and I'm completely entranced, as one watching the mating rituals of the gooney bird -

You are not alone. Many will think I've lost my mind and for the most part I have, but I've taken a cotton to ole Yanni and Musicology (aka Count Robert), which actually started back in the manufactured Mozart days.

I enjoy the "rituals" as well, though I only observe from the shoreline, hidden among the reeds.

Gilliatt

[yanni]

Spaghetti? "Train of thought" is a more elegant term to use but does not really describe the process of memory-recall/info collection/thought-generation which is certainly not linear. Yes, spaghetti is a better term to use for this extensive as well as intensive, web like, selfcenterd and very complicated, thus impossible to put in words, process .

So nobody really writes down his spaghetti like "thoughts" and we all use "words" (selecting the proper words each and every time) to let conclusions be known when a specific thought process is over, if it ever is, and they have been drawn. If not, a mark at the end of the sentence is placed, indicating "question" and inviting others, when not rhetorical, to take part, hopefully positively, in good faith, in a dialogue when needed.

So kindly explain your conclusions, Robert and be precise if you please: Tell me the specific part of my writings of, say, my previous four or five posts, which was not clear enough for you to understand.

Allow me to suggest you beginn with what I consider, for reasons arleady outlined, to be an important and highly relevant, absolutely clear and outright, realisation/statement/product-of-my-concluded-thought process :

JH, "unknown" for 260 years now and no freaking C.R.A.P*musicologist has dared look in his direction!

...but then, on "second thoughts", you'll have to address post 96 of http://www.online-literature.com/for...d.php?p=873911 which you (and Mme Trombetta, also cordialy invited) never did really!

So allow me to expect, judging from your below quoted last relative evasive, irrelevant and nonsensical reaction, that you shall try to avoid anwering once more, derailing the dialogue and breaking its rules as always.

Is that reasonable and clear enough for you?

As for fugues and talents:

Your use of fugue (in the greek sense, ie escape, getaway, bypass the issue) has been noticed and often commented upon. Instead of your usual head over heels, up and down and around your pile, try Handel/Bach's ie Arc.Corelli's fugues.

I don't own any single attic talent, nor recognise, accept or wish to exhibit any other.

Much obliged in advance for your better focused reply!

PS The "train of thought" expression is really meant to describe the successfull arrival to their final destination of many "partial", interlinked and well focused, conclusions, correctly reaching inbetween stations each and every time. Much like -and even better than-the completion of a puzzle! A train has mass, develops momentum, qualities much needed to get thru the pile of musicological (and not only) rubbish of your decaying "spaghetti".

Yanni,

I have worked with some difficult lines of research over many years. But I have never encountered such confusion of thought, and such vagueness as I have repeatedly read from you in your posts. What you say obscures and diminishes what you have already said. Why don't you speak clearly about what you think and stop being obtuse ? Are you restricted because of your loyalties ? Your posts are really like spaghetti. Am I alone in thinking this ?

I will tell you clearly - much of what you write reads like nonsense. And the good things you write (which show how clearly fraternities were involved with manufacturing the careers of musicians) are often ruined by it. You do not write as if you know what you are actually saying.

We do not live in mediaeval times. We are free to give our views without any need for vagueness and innuendo.

That is my view and I hope you appreciate the truth of it. Because you are wasting your time and talents and the time of others if you do not structure your posts. They are very tiring and often lead nowhere.

You should study fugue. That will help. And I say this sincerely. But you first need a theme. And what you say must always be relative to what you have said and what you will say - all within the theme of what you are saying. That is something you can do. If you are prepared to try. It doesn't matter how complicated a thing is. It must always be simple. THAT is talent. And if you think you have succeeded in that, do better.

J.S. Bach
Trio Sonata No. 1 in E-flat Major
Third Movement
Allegro
BWV 525/3

http://www.youtube.com/user/smalin#p...26/1y7aw_ExNic


Regards

[Musicology]

There is no doubt about it. I'm an analogue man in a digital world.

[yanni]

My compliments for your efforts, Robert. No hard feelings whatsoever btw: One's myths-to-protect are sometimes another's past, occasionaly including elephants-to-tame!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GF5AYYoOtqM

(Out of all "jump ship" songs I cared listen to, the funniest and least revolting)

There is no doubt about it. I'm an analogue man in a digital world.

[Musicology]

Thank you Yanni. You have given new meaning to the term 'eloquent silence'.

Here is something unusual. Discussion without context. With Yanni proving nobody understands what he is saying, or trying to say.

I believe you should take up law (specialising in legalise) and, if not, you should at least stand for high political office. Ezra Pound would have been jealous of your outrageous obscurantism !!



Regards

Sylvius Leopold Weiss (1687-1750)
Harpsichord Transcriptions

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4I2kZM_JWY

[yanni]

You are always wellcome to reasonably answer any of my posts (192 and previous).

Otherwise enjoy your swim!

[Musicology]

Yanni, unlike others, I have been answering your posts for months. You are so wrapped up in your obscurantism you should read your own posts. Including 192.

I keep my feet on dry land. Enjoy your own swim and please, please, please, stop the obscurantism ! Thank You.

You are always wellcome to reasonably answer any of my posts (192 and previous).

Otherwise enjoy your swim!

[yanni]

Joseph Haydn has been identified by me some months ago, Robert, and is not eversince my problem. Nevertheless, Mr Kassler's JH elegantly reconfirms my findings, also passing the ball to you and your british coleagues, eversince 1997 or so.

JH, your problem all along, now looks like the cherry to your pi(l)e. Perhaps you may select to reach him thru his undoubtably huge records at your foreign ministry's archive. Same for Mr Kassler and their archives btw.

Otherwise, I am happy you reached dry land and wish you luck with your Mozart. Advise me, when ready to serve, and I'll send you a package of Niessen mustard for dressing.

Unless you have something further to add, I declare this thread closed.

My regards to you and your italian associates.

Ta-ta!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQCZLYgm05g

[Musicology]

Joseph Haydn has long been identified by you ? And what use is that if you do not tell us, plainly, in a single post, your considered view ?

As for the involvement of the British Empire, Rome and Venice in the careers of men such as Handel, Haydn, Mozart and even Beethoven, I have repeatedly refered to the role of ambassadors and members of the British Empire during the time I have been a member of this forum. In fact I have refered to this for years. As recently as a few weeks ago. Would you like some quotes from what I've written here ?

Nissen we have spoken of before.

Why not summarise your findings on Josef Haydn and on Nissen and post them here for the benefit of everyone ? I can do the same if you wish. So you are clearly on record and will get any credit that is due for your research.

That is what I mean by avoiding obscurantism.

I am specialising in Mozart but will not ignore the context within which all of the above composers lived. They are all highly relevant. As for the work of other researchers these have value too.

It would be unfortunate if you close shop on this thread just as we are asking for plain answers.

Regards

CPE Bach (1714-88)
Concerto Wq172/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OdOa...eature=related

Joseph Haydn has long been identified by me, Robert and is not eversince my problem. Nevertheless, Mr Kassler's JH elegantly reconfirms my findings, passing thus the ball to you and your british coleagues eversince what, 1997?

JH seems to have been your problem all along. He now looks like the cherry to your pi(l)e and perhaps you may select to reach him thru his undoubtably huge records at your foreign ministry's archive. Same for Mr Kassler and their archives btw.

Otherwise, I am happy you reached dry land and wish you luck with your Mozart. Advise me, when ready to serve, and I'll send you a package of Niessen mustard for dressing.

Unless you have something further to add, I declare this thread closed.

My regards to you and your italian associates.

Ta-ta!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQCZLYgm05g

[yanni]

I did just that, summarize, not only for Haydn and Nissen but many others as well.

My own genealogy purposes -and curiosity (a strong motor)- satisfied, I neither believe it's possible, nor have the wish or stamina, to change existing form and put everything in a nutshell.

No, but thanks for asking.

You really should summarise your findings on Haydn and on Nissen and post them here for the benefit of everyone. So you are clearly on record and will get any credit that is due for your research.

[Musicology]

OK Yanni,

What we see in all these things is really a hybrid religion that is no religion. An agenda which has infliltrated, managed and controlled much of western art and culture virtually since the early 16th century (with the assistance of corrupt men who serve it at the price of their souls) but whose origins date back far earlier, to pre-Christian times. Fake Jews and (later) fake Christians. The managers of fake history in the corporatised music industry.

Regards

[yanni]

If you so say, Robert!

[Musicology]

Yes, I say so, and so do a growing number of other, honest researchers. It's the usual Khazar/Vatican/occultist hybrid - and the documentary evidence to support it is overwhelming. It is the most prominent, most verifiable feature of music history. And in its place to hide us from this fact are standard fairy stories, presided over by the pseudo-musicological stooges of the music industry.

There ! That's easy to understand, isn't it ?

If you so say, Robert!

[yanni]

Don't want my Niessen mustard and prefer Khazar dressing for Your sausages? Fine with me but may I humbly suggest to His White English Holiness,He better go promote His Sacred Products elsewhere?
I am a vegetarian, as He may notice, and this site is for colour blind sinners exclusively.

Do Bless us on Your way out!

Amen!

September 24, 2010: Brother Robert on Rome’s War Against Protestant Culture
EJP hosts White English Brother-in-Christ Robert Newman as he reveals Rome’s war on White Protestant Culture in the area of classical music. Protestant Lutheran Bach was the target for the Order in attempting to excel his compositions. While George Whitfield was preaching the gospel in the American Colonies, Bach was moving all of Europe with his God-glorifying, musical masterpieces!

(In excelsis Bachum-Handelum, pax vobiscum, allelujah! Frater Kochum, cantor graecorum-negrorum.)