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    Is the White Male Under Attack?

    A friend recently turned me onto the book: "Attack on the White Male and the Weakening of America" by Dr. DeFelice. I feel this book is an essential read for the young men who aren't aware that they are having the tables turned so far around on them, and are being painted by the rest of the country as rich, bigoted, over-privileged a-holes, and that their rights are slowly being stripped away. I am simply floored by DeFelice's straightforward, honest discussion with the young white man he is trying to reach.
    The topic of reverse discrimination has been an extremely controversial and difficult to debate. Many of us have heard whispers here and there about the injustices that affirmative action laws have done to non-minority groups, when quite honestly, there should be a roar. Why is this?
    Fear. The liberal media has taken to calling anyone who might call for ACTUAL color-blind equal opportunity as racist and bigoted, or those who disapprove of more qualified men being passed over for promotions in place of women, just to meet quota, as misogynists. There seems no ability to sit down and have a logical debate about the effectiveness of these laws. The minorities in favor use irrelevant emotional arguments and anyone who points it out is written off as a bigot.
    Let me point out that anyone who is alive today to have seen the remnants of slavery was not old enough at the time to have actually owned slaves. As a white female whose American lineage can be traced as far back as the time of the revolution, I can honestly say there is a good chance that someone in my ancestry had a part in slavery. And yet I certainly don’t give my racially mixed family members more chores to do when they visit my home! My sons don’t have a racist bone in their body, and their girlfriends are very intelligent, strong willed young women.
    Seeing as the only strong argument I ever hear in favor of affirmative action is due to all of the harm “we” have caused minorities, why is it my sons, who have never done anything to harm these groups, are being passed over for scholarships while their half-Hispanic cousin has a free ride to college? My nephew is no dummy, but neither are my boys. They have all been at about the same level of ability, grades, and extracurricular activities, yet because of the color of their skin, I have to go into debt to give them an opportunity to succeed in life. Then entering the workforce, they have to contend with racial quotas. Author Dr. DeFelice mentions in his book, “Attack on the White Male and the Weakening of America”, that colleges consistently hold “diversity days” and fail to invite white males!
    I truly dream of a world where I am not asked my racial background on every legal document I sign. I dream of a world where competition and greater skill choose our leaders for tomorrow, and not the amount of melanin in our skin or the nature of our genitals.
    Discrimination is wrong. To try to make right the injustices done to minorities by doing injustices to people of a majority is ridiculous, and someone needs to stand up for the white male and demand freedom from discrimination. Women outnumber men. And minority groups, when combined into one, outnumber whites. If all of the minority groups get together and fight for this legalized discrimination, who becomes the minority? Now who can't speak up for fear of attack??

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    I think the more pressing question is the racism the 21st century society, unrightly thrusts upon gingers. It is simple terrible, they are abused and misused and no one is willing to protect them from the savageries committed to them due to their gingerness. It is time to end ginger racism, just because they don't have souls doesn't mean they aren't people...

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    [QUOTE=caryn4freedom;949848 [/QUOTE]

    carin4freedom,

    You are up against something that has become a virtual religion in Europe and the USA since 1945 and that is self-righteousness, a force which, although seen in mankind for centuries, gained a lot of ground during the 19th century and today appears to be all pervasive. What you are witnessing is the self-inflicted end of western civilisation. The East is waiting in the wings.
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    1) You're attacking a straw man, the arguments supporting affirmative action, as it is called in the US, are not based on the harm done to minorities in the past. It arises from the fact that people still believe there are institutional barriers which make it less likely for an equally qualified person of a minority group to achieve a job. Last time I looked around, women were still being payed much less than men on average, as are racial minorities with respect to white people. It has nothing to do with righting injustices of the past, but righting the injustices of today.

    2) Attempting to paint affirmative action as "reverse racism" is merely a political smear tactic.

    3) Just the idea that slavery was the last time African Americans were wronged is laughable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexander III View Post
    I think the more pressing question is the racism the 21st century society, unrightly thrusts upon gingers. It is simple terrible, they are abused and misused and no one is willing to protect them from the savageries committed to them due to their gingerness. It is time to end ginger racism, just because they don't have souls doesn't mean they aren't people...
    Now I have to go and watch South Park.

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    If you're a wingnut who thinks that the "liberal media" is trying to break into your house at night and drill holes into your brain to make you serve a NWO, then I could see how you might think that white men have it rough in America.



    And for the record, yes, I do wish that there were as many scholarships open to me as there are to black people...Oh wait, there are, and I'm more likely, as a white male, to get them. I've just never taken the time to actually look for them instead of complaining about those 2 or 3 scholarships that are only open to black people. Silly me.

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    {edit} I do not come on these forums to hear {edit} about how the white male is under attack. Nonsense. Go tell that to every gay, Hispanic, black man or woman living in America today. Racism is not dead and it cannot be ignored in todays society just because we've made some leaps in progress.

    Secondly, I would like to kindly ask the original poster if she will kindly give us a statistic of the number of cases of workplace discrimination against white males compared to say. . .black women. Just wondering. . .

    Anyhow, this thread should be closed. It's subject is nonsense and is bound to compel some hurtful arguments. Besides, discusison of current politics is not allowed.
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    I say leave the thread open as a tribute to Mankind's Satyre

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    I agree that social injustices toward the white male is getting out of hand. I don't see this as a political issue at all. It is the discussion of a book about the social order of society. I can't see why this thread should be closed at all.
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    {edit}
    The minorities in favor use irrelevant emotional arguments and anyone who points it out is written off as a bigot.

    I'm afraid that the above quote from the original post has proven her point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian Bean View Post
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    The minorities in favor use irrelevant emotional arguments and anyone who points it out is written off as a bigot.

    I'm afraid that the above quote from the original post has proven her point.
    Pleease, do you sincerely believe that the average white American male faces more discrimination in this country (I refer to the U.S.) than the average racial or sexual minority? Honestly, do you believe that?

    EDIT: Seeing as you're from England I'll pose the same question in regards to your homeland, and even though I know little about race relations there, I'm sure that they're not radically different from the U.S.
    Last edited by Scheherazade; 09-05-2010 at 04:44 PM. Reason: quoting an edited post
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielBenoit View Post
    Pleease, do you sincerely believe that the average white American male faces more discrimination in this country (I refer to the U.S.) than the average racial or sexual minority? Honestly, do you believe that?

    EDIT: Seeing as you're from England I'll pose the same question in regards to your homeland, and even though I know little about race relations there, I'm sure that they're not radically different from the U.S.
    Yes, I do. Not comparable to the racial injustices from the 1960s, but yes, there are just as many social injustices for the white man today as the black man (etc) today, but now they are supported by societal establishments.

    Do you realize that there are many jobs awarded to minorities (simply because they are a minority)? Have you ever heard of Minority Owned Businesses (and Woman Owned Businesses)? They have preference over those that are owned by white males. So, in answer to your question...yes, yes, I do.

    Furthermore, minorities are awarded extra points in the Civil Servant tests because they are black. These are not the only examples.
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    [QUOTE=BienvenuJDC;950096]
    Quote Originally Posted by DanielBenoit View Post

    Yes, I do. Not comparable to the racial injustices from the 1960s, but yes, there are just as many social injustices for the white man today as the black man (etc) today, but now they are supported by societal establishments.

    Do you realize that there are many jobs awarded to minorities (simply because they are a minority)? Have you ever heard of Minority Owned Businesses (and Woman Owned Businesses)? They have preference over those that are owned by white males. So, in answer to your question...yes, yes, I do.

    Furthermore, minorities are awarded extra points in the Civil Servant tests because they are black. These are not the only examples.
    Please provide me some statistics or links I would be very happy to see them.

    According to Bendick and Egan Economic Consultants, in a study conducted on candidates applying as a waiter/waitress at upscale Manhattan resturaunts, these were the results in regards to the white applicants and the black applicants, some percentages are insignificant and some are very significant:



    You may also find this rather interesting coming from a Gallup poll taken in 2005:

    The charges were broken down on the following bases of discrimination (note that percentages add up to more than 100% because multiple bases are often alleged in a single charge filing):

    Race discrimination accounted for about 36% of all charges, following a historical trend.
    Within the context of race filings, 82.5% of charges were brought by African Americans, with Asian/Pacific Islanders filing only 3% -- a sharp contrast with the 30% of Asians employees who responding to the Gallup survey that they perceived discrimination on-the-job.
    Sex discrimination accounted for 31% of all charges, with the majority of filings by women.
    Retaliation accounted for 24% of Title VII charges, and about 29% of all charges.
    National Origin accounted for about 11% of all charges, with 50% filed by Hispanics.
    http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/newsroom/release/12-8-05.cfm


    Also, here are the Hate Crime statistics taken by the FBI for 2008: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2008/incidents.html

    Racial bias
    In 2008, law enforcement agencies reported that 4,704 offenses among single-bias hate crime incidents were racially motivated. Of these offenses:

    72.6 percent were motivated by anti-black bias.
    17.3 percent stemmed from anti-white bias.
    5.5 percent were a result of bias against groups of individuals consisting of more than one race (anti-multiple races, group).
    3.4 percent resulted from anti-Asian/Pacific Islander bias.
    1.3 percent were motivated by anti-American Indian/Alaskan Native bias. (Based on Table 1.)
    Btw, as far as Minority or Woman Owned Businesses go. . .what in the world is wrong with that? What is wrong with a black CEO or a woman CEO? Are you implying that a business owned by blacks or women is more likely to discriminate against white male workers than businesses owned by white males?

    Here is the webstie for the MBDA and nowhere does it talk about discriminating against whites. It is merely an organization to help and assist minority-owned businesses (say. . .a small business owned by a Hispanic family?).

    http://www.mbda.gov/
    Last edited by DanielBenoit; 09-05-2010 at 05:16 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielBenoit View Post
    Pleease, do you sincerely believe that the average white American male faces more discrimination in this country (I refer to the U.S.) than the average racial or sexual minority? Honestly, do you believe that?

    EDIT: Seeing as you're from England I'll pose the same question in regards to your homeland, and even though I know little about race relations there, I'm sure that they're not radically different from the U.S.
    I don't know about the average white male in the US but, as Dr. DeFelice points out in his book, there are certainly cases of anti-white discrimination in the USA. As far as the UK is concerned, it would seem that a very similar situation prevails; after all, 'liberalism' is 'liberalism' wherever it raises its head.
    Last edited by Emil Miller; 09-05-2010 at 05:16 PM.
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