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    Post your unpopular opinions

    I'll start with 10 of my own.

    1. Moral decisions should be based on empathy and empathy alone. I define empathy as being emotionally insync with another being's state of mind (ie. happy because they are happy and sad when they are sad). This view naturally leads to ethical hedonism - the belief that pleasure/happiness is the only thing that is intrinsically good and suffering is the only thing that is intrinsically bad. If an action does not cause someone to suffer or frustrate their desire to be happy, it is not morally wrong. If an action does not minimize suffering or increase happiness, it is not beneficial.

    2. All third world debts should be abolished. It is wrong for Western governments to demand payment for debts accumulated by corrupt governments that were not democratically elected.

    3. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, there is nothing inherently perverse about it nor is child-adult sex inherently harmful. I'm not saying that child-adult sex should not be discouraged but it should only be discouraged on the basis that the child might come to regret the experience (especially having been raised in a culture that would condition him/her to view the act as harmful and inappropriate in retrospect despite being consensual and harmless at the time) and suffer as a result, I think that children/young teens are more emotionally vulnerable than are adults. Simulated child pornography should be legal, pedophiles should have a right to express their sexuality so long as they don't act on their desires.


    4. Marriage (including civil unions) as a legal institution should be abolished. Your personal relationships are none of the government's business. There is a religious component to Western/modern marriage and there should be a separation between church and state. Until that day comes, homosexual couples and polyamorous couples should have the same legal benefits that heterosexual and monogamous couples do.

    5. Non-human animals (and we should assume that every animal with a nervous system might be sentient, no matter how different or unlike our own it may be) deserve the same equal consideration that humans do, sentience is the only morally relevant criterion and there are no 'higher' or 'lower' degrees of consciousness. Factory farming, vivisection, driving non-domesticated animals from their homes through deforestation/habitat destruction etc. aren't any more acceptable than they would be if the victims were humans. The interests (all sentient beings have an interest in pursuing happiness and avoiding distress) of all sentient beings are equally important and should be given equal respect.

    6. Until science comes up with a solution for global warming and genetically engineering humans who are incapable of experiencing non-trivial distress or behaving anti-socially becomes possible, it would be compassionate to avoid reproducing.

    7. There is nothing wrong with being sexually promiscuous and there is nothing noble or appropriate about being monogamous. Romantic love/sexual desire is selfish and amoral. Sex is an inherently intimate act but you don't copulate or start a relationship with someone because you feel empathy for them (even if you do), you do so for your own selfish reasons, because it benefits you. You can't force yourself to be attracted to someone you respect or care about even if you could force yourself to have a sexual/romantic relationship with them for purely altruistic reasons, you're not attracted to someone because you feel they deserve your attraction or because you think they would benefit from it. Empathy has the potential to be unconditional and universal (for all sentient beings), sexual/romantic attraction is selective and shallow to the extent that it's based on physical appearance. People should stop moralizing sex. I would also argue that while there's no moral reason to have more than one partner, it would be empathetic to allow your partner the freedom to have other sex/romantic partners if doing so would make them happy.

    8. Physical phenomenon is all that exists. There is no God and no such thing as a 'soul'. Since the brain is just a physical object, it behaves according to the same laws of physics that every other physical object in the (macro) universe does. People don't choose to behave the way they they do, they mindlessly react to environmental stimuli and experience the illusion of having chosen to do so after they've already 'decided' to do so (this is supported by modern neuroscience). Nobody deserves to be punished or rewarded for their behavior. Even quantum randomness would still not be 'free will' in the sense that most people use the word. Despite believing this intellectually it's difficult for me to accept it emotionally which is why I don't feel empathy for most human beings.

    9. Circumcising male infants for non-medical reasons is wrong.

    10. Fiction is a better vehicle for moral commentary than ethics as an academic discipline is. Philosophy is abstract, fiction shows how moral ideas and views can be applied in real life scenarios. Besides, fiction can generate empathy by forcing you to put yourself in the shoes of the characters you read about. " You never really understand a person until you consider things from his point of view...until you climb into his skin and walk around in it" - Atticus from To Kill A Mockingbird.

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    Luckily - social rules and national laws tend to be formulated by reasonable, experienced and well balanced people. Yay to that.

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    Why can't we all get along?
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    Quote Originally Posted by African_Love View Post
    I'll start with 10 of my own.

    1. Moral decisions should be based on empathy and empathy alone. I define empathy as being emotionally insync with another being's state of mind (ie. happy because they are happy and sad when they are sad). This view naturally leads to ethical hedonism - the belief that pleasure/happiness is the only thing that is intrinsically good and suffering is the only thing that is intrinsically bad. If an action does not cause someone to suffer or frustrate their desire to be happy, it is not morally wrong. If an action does not minimize suffering or increase happiness, it is not beneficial.
    Well-meaning, but idealistic. Pure and total empathy, that is, being able to feel exactly what another person is feeling at all times, is impossible because we are not that person.

    Also, to use empathy and only empathy for each and every situaiton is not practical nor will it be fully consistent at all times. If one is fully empathetic for both the murdered man's family and fully empathetic for the murderer's social status which may have forced him to commit murder (maybe he accidently killed him while he was committing a robbery), that will not bring out rational decision, nor will it bring out justice.

    Empathy is something that this cruel and impersonal world needs, but empathy alone will not fix anything.


    2. All third world debts should be abolished. It is wrong for Western governments to demand payment for debts accumulated by corrupt governments that were not democratically elected.
    I don't see a problem with this, though I must admit that I don't know much about the way these things work.


    3. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, there is nothing inherently perverse about it nor is child-adult sex inherently harmful. I'm not saying that child-adult sex should not be discouraged but it should only be discouraged on the basis that the child might come to regret the experience (especially having been raised in a culture that would condition him/her to view the act as harmful and inappropriate in retrospect despite being consensual and harmless at the time) and suffer as a result, I think that children/young teens are more emotionally vulnerable than are adults. Simulated child pornography should be legal, pedophiles should have a right to express their sexuality so long as they don't act on their desires.
    You lost me there. Are you serious? How the hell can a 10 year old girl make any sort of rational decision about sex when she hardly has even reached puberty?! Even a 14 year old. Make pediophillia legal, and you'll have more 14 year old girls having babies born by creepy older men.

    This is truly just sick. NO ONE intheir right mind would support it.

    6. Until science comes up with a solution for global warming and genetically engineering humans who are incapable of experiencing non-trivial distress or behaving anti-socially becomes possible, it would be compassionate to avoid reproducing.
    Please tell me how this would work?
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    I presume that the Op has little experience of the real world. Terribly, terribly idealistic, and dangerously misguided, especially the revolting point about paedophilia. I should imagine that just about every sane parent of daughters, in the whole world would be horrified by that one - I know I am. I have two daughters. Worrying. Unbalanced.
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    Posters seem to have some strong opinions against your views without really debating them at all, and the debate there is looks like a misinterpretation to me.

    ***5. Non-human animals (and we should assume that every animal with a nervous system might be sentient, no matter how different or unlike our own it may be) deserve the same equal consideration that humans do, sentience is the only morally relevant criterion and there are no 'higher' or 'lower' degrees of consciousness. Factory farming, vivisection, driving non-domesticated animals from their homes through deforestation/habitat destruction etc. aren't any more acceptable than they would be if the victims were humans. The interests (all sentient beings have an interest in pursuing happiness and avoiding distress) of all sentient beings are equally important and should be given equal respect.***

    I think the main point that needs defense here is why should we assume every animal with a "nervous system" is sentient? How rudimentary can that nervous system be. What if it is a person who used to have a full brain and now only has 5% due to some accident, what about just 3 neurons remaining, what about just 2, just 1?

    Why is a nervous system the line of demarcation for sentience. Plants, fungi, protists, and bacteria, all possess chemical systems that react in specific concert with the environment and possess biologies that have a "memory" of the environments which allow them to adapt to changes etc...

    That is to say I cannot show that a dog is sentient, but neither can I show that of a tree, or even for that matter a person. How do you resolve this? Why is a nervous system no matter how rudimentary the point at which we feel confident enough to say this is sentient?

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    That is to say I cannot show that a dog is sentient, but neither can I show that of a tree, or even for that matter a person. How do you resolve this? Why is a nervous system no matter how rudimentary the point at which we feel confident enough to say this is sentient?

    You need to clarify the definition of sentience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulclem View Post
    That is to say I cannot show that a dog is sentient, but neither can I show that of a tree, or even for that matter a person. How do you resolve this? Why is a nervous system no matter how rudimentary the point at which we feel confident enough to say this is sentient?

    You need to clarify the definition of sentience.
    No this is what the OP needs to do.

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    The crass immaturity of banning marriage takes my breath away, and to suggest that promiscuity is a good thing is almost too ridiculous for words. Had you thought about the prevelance of sexually trnasmitted diseases, and it also goes against the idea of stopping reproducing. There is, I seem to recall, a direct link between the two.
    I'm not sure who it fits in with empathy, either, but that's another story.

    You cannot state that there is no God. You can state that in your opinion there is no God, that's fair enough, but regrettably you are not privy to the information. If you are wrong..................

    Frankly, I sincerely hope that no society ever gets to this state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dafydd manton View Post
    You cannot state that there is no God. You can state that in your opinion there is no God, that's fair enough, but regrettably you are not privy to the information. If you are wrong..................
    I thought the title of the thread had something to do with opinions.

    If you are wrong.......... what? What would the implications be for not believing in a "higher being."

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    That is for the OP to decide. I can't decide that for him, and I certainly don't intend to ge involved in a religious discussion, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dafydd manton View Post
    The crass immaturity of banning marriage takes my breath away, and to suggest that promiscuity is a good thing is almost too ridiculous for words. Had you thought about the prevelance of sexually trnasmitted diseases, and it also goes against the idea of stopping reproducing. There is, I seem to recall, a direct link between the two.
    I'm not sure who it fits in with empathy, either, but that's another story.

    You cannot state that there is no God. You can state that in your opinion there is no God, that's fair enough, but regrettably you are not privy to the information. If you are wrong..................

    Frankly, I sincerely hope that no society ever gets to this state.
    I think the purpose of the OP was to wind up the populace. I fully agree with you though.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rores28 View Post
    No this is what the OP needs to do.
    There's nothing to stop you doing it as they are not forthcoming.

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    True Paul, but since the OP seems to have stirred things up and left, I shall do the gentlemanly thing, and go down the pub!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dafydd manton View Post
    That is for the OP to decide. I can't decide that for him, and I certainly don't intend to ge involved in a religious discussion, thanks!
    ...lol

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