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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    Friday the 13th - everybody be aware!
    I guess I made it through the day without something happening to me.

    I know I said I had nothing more to add Virgil, but there is one more point I'd like to make about the eyes - I think we're confusing "nordic" with "North".
    In post #3180 you say

    But Egbert is NOT from the north. He's the ultimite southener, the higher being (in Winifred eyes, see last paragraph story untill now).
    Then in post #3185, after I've been rambling about eye colours and genetics, you mention

    I think you hit the jackpot there: no connection to North or South, but rather to character. Though with Lawrence such is connected to North and South England It is Godfrey who is from the North, and his daughter is quite like him. It is Egbert, the dreamer, the blue eyed, who's from the South. So his eyes might be nordic, but he is from the South. You connect Vikings to Saxons, but the Vikings are also the Normans. Maybe even more so. They sure got around
    That's true about Egbert. Perhaps we should look at him as someone out of place, a left over from a previous epoch.

    Yes, I noticed that. To be honest, I did have the thought "why on earth does he keep on repeating? He did rewrite this, did he not? Then why on earth does he make the mistake to keep on repeating himself" Now you connect it with the title and claim it is a motive within the story, it suddenly makes sense I should have known he would not make a mistake like that
    At this point I can't figure it out either. We'll have to see if something dawns on us as we go through the story.

    BTW, what a wonderful word: verisimiltude.
    A very important word for understanding fiction.

    Yes, but I think we need to keep something in mind here: Mr Marshall has found his fortune, but he was not born rich and STILL has to work for his living. He likes to play father Christmas, because the money is still a bit special to him.
    And while he still works, providing for everybody, his son-in-law does not. So what will happen when he stops working? I am not sure there will be enough money to provide for everybody - at least not as they live now. Priscilla nor Magdalen seem to be married... who will take over the family business? Is there a family business? Or does Mr Marshall work for a boss? That is an odd idea... I do not really see him taking orders.
    Lawrence does not mention any of this, but it might be playing in the heads of the Marshalls; build up over time. Everybody just seems to think Godfrey will be around forever, like some almighty and immortal provider.
    Excellent points here. I take it that Marshall doesn't work for anyone. I'm surprised Lawrence doesn't get more specific as to what his wealth is from.

    So with the Cottage (so no rent to pay) they could probably live of it quite easily? But with 3 children, money would be tight? It is mentioned later that Egbert can not afford the nurse, and - hold on. I'll go into this when we get there
    Ok, I found that the average salary in 1915 in the US was $750 and that a Model T auto cost $345. I also found that the exchange rate between the US$ and the British pound in 1915 was about 1 pound to 4.8$. So 150 pounds equals to $720. That's right around an average salary. Not rich but not poor. Working class.

    I've reread what Janine posted from wikipedia and I found this link. It does not tell about any natural inheretance to land, but it does state that "commoners" have rights towards the "common". And obligations, for they have to take care of it But I can not really figure out how those commoners get their rights. If Winifred has hers, it does seem to be a bit capitalistic - Marshall must have bought those rights (with the property itself). Or it is rather seen as an obligation: if you live next to that common, you take care of it - taking care of the neighbourhood .

    No! No! No! I for one refuse to submit! I am not going to take over Egberts attitude! We are going to figure this one out . Even if it means me writing a letter to the English ambassador! Or to some lecturer at Cambridge.
    Ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Virgil
    I guess I made it through the day without something happening to me.
    Well, something odd did happen to me. Or rather on Saturday the 14th... but that's close enough, is it not? And it is not something which happened to me: it is something I read. It would have perfectly worked as a horror story to be told by the camp fire, but I read it over coffee in the sun in a very realistic setting. It gave me the shivers though. Here is what happened:
    I was flipping through a magazine which I think is a bit like "Good House Keeping" in the USA. Except this one has a comic in the back My eye fell on a story though, and I started to read... It was about a farmers family with 3 children, 2 girls and a boy. The youngest girl is crazy about the farm. At the time of this story, she is 5 years old and she starts exploring her limits - always pushing a bit after "no" has been said. One day, this goes wrong: she's too curious, she comes too close to the tractor while the farmer does not know she is there. And she dies. A very tragic accident - and especially the father has a strong feeling of guilt about it. Nobody blames him, but he blames himself.
    I guess you all see the equalities and the differences of the Lawrence story. And unfortunately it is something which "just happens": about 380 children go to the emergency room every year due to farm-related accidents, of which 4 die. Most of the accidents concern a tractor on the other end. So, sad as it is, it is not that strange to read a story like this while we are reading "England, My England". The one thing that made me catch my breath though, was the name of the farmer. His name is Egbert...

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    That's true about Egbert. Perhaps we should look at him as someone out of place, a left over from a previous epoch.
    Probably A noble man from years gone by. When working was something you just did not do.
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    We'll have to see if something dawns on us as we go through the story.
    I'm sure we'll think of something We will probably even find multiple reasons
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    A very important word for understanding fiction.
    I bet.
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    I'm surprised Lawrence doesn't get more specific as to what his wealth is from.
    Maybe to keep the focus on the fact that he is working, that he makes money, that he stands for something. As the narrator and winifred point out later: it is not just that Egbert makes no money, it is that he stands for nothing. Except for his own "liberty" So it is just what Godfrey stands for. Details about his job and the origin of his money are deemed to be not important.
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    Not rich but not poor. Working class.
    Kind of ironic, don't you think? Working class, but not working...
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    Ok.
    Do you think we have the word figured out? I for one think we do - a piece of land which has certain rights and obligations attached to it. The right and obligations differ per common, per county. And even the definition of "owner" differs per common. Sometimes it is the county, sometimes it is a group of farmers, sometimes it is one person who has to give right of way, etc.
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    Sapphire, that bit about the article and the farmer's name being Egbert...that would creep me out a bit too...poor little girl.

    I'm late in the coming on comments to the thread, but I've been reading as much of your comments as I can guys. For the most part, I am playing the role of silent observer. You guys are good with your comments - oh and Sapphire I was in no way hinting earlier on that you should shorten your posts. After spending so much time in university critically analyzing much of what I read - and then being out of school for awhile....I find the analyzing and critical thinking task on my part a bit daunting. My brain....is turning to mush I'm looking to ease into the process...or rather, make sure I don't fall out of it completely.

    So I may be slow in comments but I am loving everything you guys are saying.

    Virgil just a side note, your response of my comment about shouldn't Winifred have known who she was marrying reminded me of this saying I heard (in passing and in planning my friend's wedding) - that "men get married hoping their wife will always stay the same and women get married hoping that men will change" and something along the lines that that usually doesn't happen. Then I started thinking about Egbert and Winifred......again.

    With more time, I'm going to re-read the story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    Well, something odd did happen to me. Or rather on Saturday the 14th... but that's close enough, is it not? And it is not something which happened to me: it is something I read. It would have perfectly worked as a horror story to be told by the camp fire, but I read it over coffee in the sun in a very realistic setting. It gave me the shivers though. Here is what happened:
    I was flipping through a magazine which I think is a bit like "Good House Keeping" in the USA. Except this one has a comic in the back My eye fell on a story though, and I started to read... It was about a farmers family with 3 children, 2 girls and a boy. The youngest girl is crazy about the farm. At the time of this story, she is 5 years old and she starts exploring her limits - always pushing a bit after "no" has been said. One day, this goes wrong: she's too curious, she comes too close to the tractor while the farmer does not know she is there. And she dies. A very tragic accident - and especially the father has a strong feeling of guilt about it. Nobody blames him, but he blames himself.
    I guess you all see the equalities and the differences of the Lawrence story. And unfortunately it is something which "just happens": about 380 children go to the emergency room every year due to farm-related accidents, of which 4 die. Most of the accidents concern a tractor on the other end. So, sad as it is, it is not that strange to read a story like this while we are reading "England, My England". The one thing that made me catch my breath though, was the name of the farmer. His name is Egbert...
    That is amazing. Wow.

    Maybe to keep the focus on the fact that he is working, that he makes money, that he stands for something. As the narrator and winifred point out later: it is not just that Egbert makes no money, it is that he stands for nothing. Except for his own "liberty" So it is just what Godfrey stands for. Details about his job and the origin of his money are deemed to be not important.
    You're probably right.

    Kind of ironic, don't you think? Working class, but not working...
    Yes, sort of like Lawrence. But he wrote and that is working.

    Do you think we have the word figured out? I for one think we do - a piece of land which has certain rights and obligations attached to it. The right and obligations differ per common, per county. And even the definition of "owner" differs per common. Sometimes it is the county, sometimes it is a group of farmers, sometimes it is one person who has to give right of way, etc.
    Yes, I finally think we do with your definition there. Thanks.

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    So I may be slow in comments but I am loving everything you guys are saying.
    Thank you Grace. Feel free to join in when something motivates you to either add or contradict a thought.

    Virgil just a side note, your response of my comment about shouldn't Winifred have known who she was marrying reminded me of this saying I heard (in passing and in planning my friend's wedding) - that "men get married hoping their wife will always stay the same and women get married hoping that men will change" and something along the lines that that usually doesn't happen. Then I started thinking about Egbert and Winifred......again.
    I've used that proverb (would you call it a proverb?) myself: Men marry thinking their wives will never change, and of course they do; women marry thinking they can change their husbands and they never can't. It's very true. So don't marry a man if you're thinking you'll make him better in the long run. If he's not as you want him now, he'll only get worse.
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    I am so sorry that I have been so absent this week. Let me know when you want me to post more text. I have a few things other than internet going on right now and I have to attend to those - vitally important. Soon you will have more of my attention. I have been reading every single word, like Grace ,and been enjoying this lively interchange of ideas. I will get to the points that Sapphire wanted me to address; but after tomorrow, I must delay, because of this household stuff going on presently. Thanks for everyone's patience.
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    I think we're ready for the next text Janine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grace86
    I find the analyzing and critical thinking task on my part a bit daunting.
    It can help to write down your toughts, then let it brood a while, and then read those over Works for me
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    So I may be slow in comments but I am loving everything you guys are saying.
    Thanks.

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    Yes, sort of like Lawrence. But he wrote and that is working.
    Especially with the production he had!
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    Yes, I finally think we do with your definition there.
    See, we can do it

    Quote Originally Posted by Janine
    Let me know when you want me to post more text.
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    Be back late afternoon or this evening with more text. Busy right now with PSE&G rep checking out our house. I will be able to think more clearly tonight...hopefully....


    edit: please sit tight and I apologise but it won't be until tomorrow that I post the next part of the text. I had a tiresome day and I don't feel that well tonight. Tomorrow I am sure I will be better and will post a good chunk more of the story....so we can keep rolling along...
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    Here's the next part of the story as promised:

    Meanwhile youth and health and passion and promise. Winifred's father was always generous: but still, he was a man from the north with a hard head and a hard skin too, having received a good many knocks. At home he kept the hard head out of sight, and played at poetry and romance with his literary wife and his sturdy, passionate girls. He was a man of courage, not given to complaining, bearing his burdens by himself. No, he did not let the world intrude far into his home. He had a delicate, sensitive wife whose poetry won some fame in the narrow world of letters. He himself, with his tough old barbarian fighting spirit, had an almost child-like delight in verse, in sweet poetry, and in the delightful game of a cultured home. His blood was strong even to coarseness. But that only made the home more vigorous, more robust and Christmassy. There was always a touch of Christmas about him, now he was well off. If there was poetry after dinner, there were also chocolates and nuts, and good little out-of-the-way things to be munching.

    Well then, into this family came Egbert. He was made of quite a different paste. The girls and the father were strong-limbed, thick-blooded people, true English, as holly-trees and hawthorn are English. Their culture was grafted on to them, as one might perhaps graft a common pink rose on to a thornstem. It flowered oddly enough, but it did not alter their blood.

    And Egbert was a born rose. The age-long breeding had left him with a delightful spontaneous passion. He was not clever, nor even 'literary'. No, but the intonation of his voice, and the movement of his supple, handsome body, and the fine texture of his flesh and his hair, the slight arch of his nose, the quickness of his blue eyes would easily take the place of poetry. Winifred loved him, loved him, this southerner, as a higher being. A higher being, mind you. Not a deeper. And as for him, he loved her in passion with every fibre of him. She was the very warm stuff of life to him.

    Wonderful then, those days at Crockham Cottage, the first days, all alone save for the woman who came to work in the mornings. Marvellous days, when she had all his tall, supple, fine-fleshed youth to herself, for herself, and he had her like a ruddy fire into which he could cast himself for rejuvenation. Ah, that it might never end, this passion, this marriage! The flame of their two bodies burnt again into that old cottage, that was haunted already by so much by-gone, physical desire. You could not be in the dark room for an hour without the influences coming over you. The hot blood-desire of by-gone yeomen, there in this old den where they had lusted and bred for so many generations. The silent house, dark, with thick, timbered walls and the big black chimney-place, and the sense of secrecy. Dark, with low, little windows, sunk into the earth. Dark, like a lair where strong beasts had lurked and mated, lonely at night and lonely by day, left to themselves and their own intensity for so many generations. It seemed to cast a spell on the two young people. They became different. There was a curious secret glow about them, a certain slumbering flame hard to understand, that enveloped them both. They too felt that they did not belong to the London world any more. Crockham had changed their blood: the sense of the snakes that lived and slept even in their own garden, in the sun, so that he, going forward with the spade, would see a curious coiled brownish pile on the black soil, which suddenly would start up, hiss, and dazzle rapidly away, hissing. One day Winifred heard the strangest scream from the flower-bed under the low window of the living room: ah, the strangest scream, like the very soul of the dark past crying aloud. She ran out, and saw a long brown snake on the flower-bed, and in its flat mouth the one hind leg of a frog was striving to escape, and screaming its strange, tiny, bellowing scream. She looked at the snake, and from its sullen flat head it looked at her, obstinately. She gave a cry, and it released the frog and slid angrily away.

    That was Crockham. The spear of modern invention had not passed through it, and it lay there secret, primitive, savage as when the Saxons first came. And Egbert and she were caught there, caught out of the world.
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    First Paragraph NEXT TEXT Janine posted
    Quote Originally Posted by Story
    Meanwhile youth and health and passion and promise.
    I think this is a wonderful sentence – full of happiness for the moment and hope for the future Those two were so happy, once.
    The story has more sentences like this - summarizing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Story
    Winifred's father was always generous: but still, he was a man from the north with a hard head and a hard skin too, having received a good many knocks. At home he kept the hard head out of sight, and played at poetry and romance with his literary wife and his sturdy, passionate girls. He was a man of courage, not given to complaining, bearing his burdens by himself.
    A description of the father, the (formerly poor) northerling.
    Quote Originally Posted by Story
    No, he did not let the world intrude far into his home.
    The father is a man of the world, but he tries to keep the world away from his family. The world is there to make money in, to acquire means to live – but not to truly live in. Apparently, when you want to live happily, you need to shut the world out. It is the world which brings trouble.
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    He had a delicate, sensitive wife whose poetry won some fame in the narrow world of letters.
    Ay… little stab at the literary world there… The real person the wife is based on, Mrs. Alice Meynell, was indeed quite known in the literary world. One of her more known poems is “Summer in England, 1914”.
    Quote Originally Posted by Story
    He himself, with his tough old barbarian fighting spirit, had an almost child-like delight in verse, in sweet poetry, and in the delightful game of a cultured home. His blood was strong even to coarseness. But that only made the home more vigorous, more robust and Christmassy. There was always a touch of Christmas about him, now he was well off. If there was poetry after dinner, there were also chocolates and nuts, and good little out-of-the-way things to be munching.
    I think that last part is wonderful: “good little out-of-the-way things to be munching” It really sounds like Christmas Mr Marshall must have been a good host .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    First Paragraph NEXT TEXT Janine posted Surprise, surprise...I am here! Yep, nice to have a fresh bunch of words/sentences, expressive phrases for us to study and dissect. I actually like this section of text very much. It's so beautifully written. And Sapphire, thank you for not using blue!

    I think this is a wonderful sentence – full of happiness for the moment and hope for the future Those two were so happy, once.
    The story has more sentences like this - summarizing.
    I did as well; considering the way things go sour after the child's accident it makes the story even more sad and poignant to see how happy the two were in the beginning of their marriage. They used to say that the real test of love is raising children and money managing; I believe both have broken many a couple. If you notice the first years were lovely and not so complicated between them. There was a harmony and later it got interrupted by the child's accident and the feeling on Egbert's part of not being as productive as he was expected to be.

    A description of the father, the (formerly poor) northerling.

    The father is a man of the world, but he tries to keep the world away from his family. The world is there to make money in, to acquire means to live – but not to truly live in. Apparently, when you want to live happily, you need to shut the world out. It is the world which brings trouble.
    Ay… little stab at the literary world there… The real person the wife is based on, Mrs. Alice Meynell, was indeed quite known in the literary world. One of her more known poems is “Summer in England, 1914”.
    Yes, I find this a little more interesting as to what made the old man tick. He was rather a complex fellow and I liked him in this passage. Perhaps shutting out the world for your loved ones at times made the family unit stronger - everyone, does need 'down' time...even in our own fast paced society. He did seem to wish to control his little clan; that is obvious from his offerings of houses for all his daughters. I wonder if it would have been different had he had sons instead....most likely. Anyway, he definitely played the all protective father. Today, more than ever, the world can bring us trouble but of course it's a two sided sword. The world and it's offerings (globally) can also be a marvelous thing. However in the changing world of England at the time and considering the horrifying war taking place, truly the world needed to be forgotten at home for a time to preserve one's sanity.


    I think that last part is wonderful: “good little out-of-the-way things to be munching” It really sounds like Christmas Mr Marshall must have been a good host .
    The poem is amazing and very powerful. I know of Owen's poems and have copied many to my hard-drive. Someone put them being read up on Youtube; narration by Kenneth Branagh. Wilfred Owens apparently knew Mrs. M? I adore Owens' poems. I downloaded many and someone from YT sent me the audiofiles as well. I must try and find more of the woman's poems. Wonder why she was so overlooked. She had a fine talent. Thanks so much, Sapphire, for looking this up and finding this poem, which I believe relates well to this story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Janine
    Surprise, surprise...I am here!
    Great
    Quote Originally Posted by Janine
    Considering the way things go sour after the child's accident it makes the story even more sad and poignant to see how happy the two were in the beginning of their marriage. (...) There was a harmony and later it got interrupted by the child's accident and the feeling on Egbert's part of not being as productive as he was expected to be.
    I think it is quite interesting (though indeed sad) to read how this marriage full of hope and happiness falls apart. I disagree on the child's accident being the main stressor: even before that, things start to go sour. It really is something which develops over time. To me, Joyce's accident is rather the last drop or a catalysator than a main reason for the marriage to go wrong. I do not even know whether it is that important. It is really just another step in the wrong direction...
    But we'll get there in the story First we have a few pages of a "happy marriage" full passion .
    Quote Originally Posted by Janine
    Perhaps shutting out the world for your loved ones at times made the family unit stronger
    I like that idea: not only to shut the world out, but more importantly to keep your family close
    Quote Originally Posted by Janine
    He did seem to wish to control his little clan; that is obvious from his offerings of houses for all his daughters. I wonder if it would have been different had he had sons instead....most likely.
    There is a part in the story where the narrator talks about the possibility of sons and how he would have taken care of them. We will read that later on, but the point of it is that he would learn his sons to be an authority like he himself has become - mainly within his own family. Lawrence really stresses the father's wish for authority and controll.
    Quote Originally Posted by Janine
    However in the changing world of England at the time and considering the horrifying war taking place, truly the world needed to be forgotten at home for a time to preserve one's sanity.
    I see where you're going with this, with the industrial revolution and the war in South Africa and colonialism and... well, there was a lot going on in those days But do remember that this is a description of the beginning of the wedding, even a description of how Godfrey Marshall raised his daughters. So we're not talking about WWI yet - Egbert and Winifred got married in 1904. I do not think there were that many people who saw the war coming at that stage in time... especially not the furious war it would be.
    Quote Originally Posted by Janine
    I know of Owen's poems and have copied many to my hard-drive.
    Ah, Wilfred Owen. I am not sure whether he knew Alice Meynell, but he probably knew of her and he might have read her work. She was a fellow English poet.
    I quite like WWI poetry. Or well, like... it is often sarcastic and dark. I like that style. Take Owen's "Anthem for Doomed Youth" or "Dulce Et Decorum Est". I think those were among the first English poetry I read. I still think it is tragic that he died a week before the war ended. A bit like Anna Frank, who died 3 months before the liberation... They never knew the end of it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Janine
    I must try and find more of the woman's poems.
    I found this site: {link} I think many of her poems are to be found there. I do not know whether she was overlooked - maybe she was quite known in her time? She seems to be... She has been forgotten over time though. BTW, did you know that she was quite the suffragette?
    Quote Originally Posted by Janine
    Thanks so much, Sapphire, for looking this up and finding this poem, which I believe relates well to this story.
    You're welcome And yes, that's why I picked it. I have tried to figure out whether she ever wrote a poem about what happened to her son-in-law (Egbert in this story, Percival in real life), but I could not find anything specific. That does not mean there is nothing - just that I could not find it on the internet.
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    Sapphire, I am going out for some errands and to eat a burger with my mother. I will be back later to answer your post. Lots there to discuss.
    "It's so mysterious, the land of tears."

    Chapter 7, The Little Prince ~ Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

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    Have fun! I'll probably won't be back untill in the morning

    BTW, I flipped through the booklet I have with war poetry in it: I've found at least 4 which I can connect to specific parts of this story . Now all I have to do is remember them when we get to those parts Wish me luck
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire View Post
    Have fun! I'll probably won't be back untill in the morning

    BTW, I flipped through the booklet I have with war poetry in it: I've found at least 4 which I can connect to specific parts of this story . Now all I have to do is remember them when we get to those parts Wish me luck
    Luck! see you later - tomorrow your time! ha
    "It's so mysterious, the land of tears."

    Chapter 7, The Little Prince ~ Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

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