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"With persian Saadi on his Gulistan" (Al Aaraf,Poe, 1829)
In the 18th century, Turkmenistan was part of a greater geographical area, known as "Gulistan" and as such, it has been, for quite a while, wthin my roots research interests, triggered by- and based on -culture among others.
Yes, they, my ancestors, were certainly involved in developments there as well (google for Edgar Poe+Gulistan+d'Anastasy+Yanni) and were propably connected, somehow, to first turkmen poet Magtymguly Fragi.
My call to you to look it up however was not in the context of culture but "survival":
....we have first to survive, not an easy task, therefore....
...back on the nat-gas-prom-party:
Tomorrow begins Turkmenistan's culture week celebrations in Moscau and SaintPetersburg, an important event.......musicaly.
So try again with survival in mind!
Last edited by yanni; 05-25-2010 at 02:38 AM.
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Clinging to Douvres rocks
Several Sides of Survival
You expect me to work for this?
You do realize I am American which entitles me to instant disposable gratification!?
On the other hand, I was born and bred in the south where life carries on with a leisurely, contemplative pace in the shade of a tree.
John Hurt – Avalon Blues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klcDg...eature=related
I can do this!
RE: Survival
Are you alluding to the survival of a people and their culture, whose homeland served as the door mat on the Silk Road, trodden over by a multitude of conquering nations?
Or possibly the survival of -
“The basic cultural milestones of Turkmenistan are related to the traditions of Turkic-speaking oguzs. The latter go back to the pre-Islamic period. The oguzs' traditions found their reflection in literature, music, folklore of the Turkmen.
The most known source of that period is the national oguz epos "Oguz-nameh" also belonging to the cultural legacy of the Turkmen, Azerbaijanis and Turks. It was passed orally from generation to generation and was written down in the mid-16th century. Another epic monument is the poem "Kitabi Dede Korkud" which reflected pre-Islamic tribal culture of the oguzs and the influence of Islam in the 11th - 12th centuries. Epic poems were performed by national singers-storytellers.”
The quote above was copied from the following source:
http://www.advantour.com/turkmenistan/culture.htm
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Excuse me for a moment Yanni.
“Fellas, would you please back away a little?”
“I’m having a hard enough time figgurin out what survival means, without you breathing and drooling down my neck in amazement!”
“Maybe you can explain Billy; what am I doing that captivates this lot?”
“They are both shocked and amazed Gilliatt. Shocked by the fact that Mozart is nowhere to be found and amazed by that glowing contraption there on the bar”
“My laptop?!” You mean to tell me the Dreary Beery has never laid eyes on a computer?”
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Is survival found here:
I googled your suggested- “Edgar Poe+Gulistan+d'Anastasy+Yanni” and found the following:
“*After the fall of Venice to the french, a succesion of protectors ruled the island of Zante (jacobine french and russians-allies of the Ottomans then- imperial napoleonic french and finally english 1809). Zante joined Modern Greece in 1864.
Greece was liberated after four centuries of Ottoman occupation by the war for independence 1821-1827.”
Or perhaps surviving the period of Russian rule?
Tell me; what is survival? ----
John Hurt:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-GN-...next=1&index=2
Leadbelly:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7hOq...eature=related
Gilliatt
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Your survival, my survival, our survival, winner nature takes all!
"Survival" is a game, Gilliat, requiring the most of one's physical and mental capabilities. It only has one rule: know thy enemies (there are many, most in disguise), forsee their next moves, be there first and maintain the illusion of victory in a world without "economy" (οικος-νομος=house rules) ie lifethreatening and in constant change.
Poe's "Gulistan" is key to "West vs East" energy market game which is transitioning from oil to natural gas within a bigger philosophy game of "big corporates" vs "state capitalism".
You may try adopting your music accordingly or not, your choice in a free market.
Here is Alberto Sordi's adaptation process:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV8Ad...eature=related
Last edited by yanni; 05-30-2010 at 02:33 PM.
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Clinging to Douvres rocks
Ahh, now I see.
I was focusing on the cultural aspects of Turkmenistan’s survival. My musical “adaptation” was an attempt to shed light on another side of cultural survival.
Here is another:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1GOp...eature=related
The camera movement is a bit annoying, but the music is mesmerizing. By the way, the round structure you see is known as “The Great Kiva of Casa Rinconada”. It is approximately 1,000 years old.
Here is a picture from Wikipedia showing a petro glyph character playing a flute. The character has come to be known as “Kokopelli”

Coincidentally, my son and I had recently travelled to Chaco Canyon. If you are interested in further reading, you might consider this:
http://www.online-literature.com/for...ad.php?t=52419
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It is Memorial Day here which causes me to reflect on any number of survival episodes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOXlw3Qt_g8
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Is “Gulistan” the title? I do find it within the body of “Al Aaraaf”
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Alberto Sordi is hilarious with his deep raspy voice.
“Macaroni, macaroni…”
I see that he was the voice for Oliver hardy in the Italian version of Laurel and Hardy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOkPG...eature=related
Gilliatt
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Went thru carefully all you post and attachements and can now read you better!
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Memorial day with you, Bank Holiday in UK, Titanic was launched on same day, 31st May, some century or so ago, Greece is sinking in debt and fat leaders.
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Al Aaraaf is the title of the poem (a joint work by Edgar and his brother "William Wilson") linking d'Anastasy and family to "Gulistan" (described above).
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"Laurel and Hardy":
I grew up with them, who can forget them? I just don't dare touch them today (critical analysis of their work in the context of history) as I had to do with Poe and a few others.
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Coincidentaly I have been just reading on a Texas company (Moncrief) losing their courtcase in Germany (their claim on a large gas field in Siberia) to Gazprom.
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Wish you and family all the best.
Last edited by yanni; 06-01-2010 at 12:37 AM.
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On the quality of prophecies and texan sonatas:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...cex-rally.html
Have been telling you all along, Gilliat!
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Clinging to Douvres rocks
Ahhh…Gazprom!, a Russian energy company. Now I understand.
Up to now, I figured it was something akin to an exclusive prom party attended only by natural gas magnates. My ability to observe things “carefully and in detail” failed me on this one.
Here is a somber bit of Texas trivia related to natural gas. In 1937 there was a tragic natural gas explosion in the crawl space underneath a school in New London; a small town in East Texas. According to Wikipedia, the New London tragedy lead to the addition of thiols or mercaptans to natural gas in order to produce an odor for detection.
Here is the Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Lon...hool_explosion
On a lighter side, your numerous references to Poe are beginning to rekindle my interest in him again.
Once I finish Conrad and Solzhenitsyn, perhaps I will take a shot at your “Al Aaraaf” for starters and then move on to some “Pit and the Pendulum”?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buRFANaKp0c
Gilliatt
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Ancient greeks blamed Cassandra for predicting disasters only, Gilliat:
http://beforeitsnews.com/news/76/057...nd_Repair.html
Came across it this morning via AV of the Financial Times and my natural inclination towards "lighter mood" was gone, even if my prediction of natgas's brighter future was
confirmed.
(also see http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=axf3BvFrR9XM)
Re Gasprom: Draw your own conclusions, ALWAYS. The tune across the pond favours shale gas.....but...
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"My" Al Aaraaf is the only way to the real Poe (and many other "matters" as well) but it's anything but "light".
Imagine yourself descending down a tiny opening to an underground labyrinth leading you further down and down, searching for something that has propably defined you, is
propably highly valuable (as Poe believes) and has been well hidden because of that, only to discover, when you reach the very deep bottom, not the certain treasure but
the same thing as Napoleon's general Cabron discovered in Waterloo. That's what happened to me at the end (ie Beethoven's Kochs).
A dolphin girl to cheer you up:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VgQN...eature=related
Last edited by yanni; 06-17-2010 at 12:44 PM.
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Clinging to Douvres rocks
As the years go by I become more and more skeptical of the news I hear or read, but I will say the article does not paint a pretty picture. Nuclear blast well capping! - Wow!
I wonder if Red Adair (Texas tie -in) ever considered that method back in his glory days.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Adair
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIlD3...eature=related
Also see the John Wayne movie - "Hellfighters"
Barton - Another bigfoot in the mouth by a politician, of course in a situation such as this, the media is scrutnizing every word spoken on the subject, preying for the slightest slip up to make hay of. I looked up Joe Bartons district (the geographical area he represents) and I see that it cuts deep into east Texas Bigfoot country which might explain the rationale behind his statements.
http://joebarton.house.gov/DistrictP...aspx?section=5
"Bartlett" shale is the hot commodity these days and it hits pretty close to home. A neighboring community has several natural gas wells established, tapping into the Bartlett source.
Speaking of big oil and the glory days, I thought you...
Hold on Yanni, I'm going to stop here for a moment and remind the other one or two people that might dare to read this thread, the "Sonata" was not meant to be a two horse town. Feel free join in.
OK, where were we? Oh yes...I thought you would appreciate the following two photos. The photos include my paternal Grandfather when he worked on an oil drilling crew near Shidler Oklahoma. Eventually he and the family made their way to East Texas continuing in the oil business.
My grandfather is second from left in this photo:

and in this photo he can be seen leaning against the pump directly above the "C" in "Connecting" :

Gilliatt
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The Russians claim an 80% success rate in their nuke well capping attempts so far (5 in total, all surface).Their report concludes there is no other means to cap this one. There is no sleeve,the well walls have been damaged and, thru ground cracks, more leaks from same source are spilling away at a distance at seabed level, a major one some five miles from the wellhead.
Have been reading, on and off, natural gas and its prospects while discussing Mozart with Musicology. My conclusions were drawn before this one. Below two interesting views on energy and its outlook. They are some seven years apart and do not include BP's-a landmark imo that will certainly affect the industry.
http://wdstudio.net/gulfstreamturbine/brink.htm
http://www.scientificamerican.com/po...l-gas-10-02-28
...and here is latest news on subject:
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIn...ssNews&rpc=401
Thanks for the photos of the 40’s oil crew and your grandfather: Having spent 1970-2000 in construction sites all over , mostly refineries and chemical plants, I strongly relate to the subject myself (not by family tradition however).
Yanni.
Last edited by yanni; 06-20-2010 at 05:32 AM.
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Clinging to Douvres rocks

Originally Posted by
yanni
...Have been reading, on and off, natural gas and its prospects while discussing Mozart with Musicology...
Thanks for the photos of the 40’s oil crew and your grandfather: ...
Yanni.
A quick reply:
Mixing natural gas with Mozart and Musicology creates a highly volatile cocktail. I wonder how our friend is doing?
The photos actually date from the early 1920's !!
And now I stand corrected, my "Bartlett" terminology was close. The Scientific American article uses the correct term; "Barnett".
Having spent 1970-2000 in construction sites all over , mostly refineries and chemical plants, I strongly relate to the subject myself (not by family tradition however).
Ahh, now I have a little better understanding of your interest in the subject.
I'll take a moment to read the articles and by the way thanks for the mermaid gift!
And in return:
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11908
Gilliatt
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Cocktail talk latest:
http://www.vanityfair.com/business/f...urrentPage=all
Re: "I wonder how our friend is doing?",
In my opinion, Robert has been standing and staring down crossroads for quite sometime now:
His attempt to hang "it" on the jesuits may have given him some publicity earlier on but, subsequent to his relative introduction of the subject in this forum, he just can't keep on trying to make it stick anymore:
A google search for "Manufacture of Mozart" rates.....
http://www.online-literature.com/for...786#post770786
...as #1 in 276000 search results.
Cheers.
Last edited by yanni; 06-23-2010 at 04:11 AM.
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From Bloomberg today:
The Micex Index of Russia’s largest stocks rose 8.3 percent and shares in gas monopoly OAO Gazprom surged 15.1 percent this month.
(There has been talk on reliability lately).
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Clinging to Douvres rocks
Easter Island as seen in the “Kon Tiki’s” rearview mirror, may we never look Bach

“Hey fellas, long time no hear! How’s the Dreary Beery been holding up?”
“It’s bin fair to midland around here Gilliatt. That Athenian friend of yours has dropped by a couple of times keeping us afloat. He convinced us to buy shares of Russian Gazprom stock. Good move since the stock prices soared. Now we’re livin high off the hog.”
“Rusty Springs, how you been? Looks like your working on a puzzle.”
“Yeah, it came from London, but there was no name on it, most likely sent by the Count.”
“Sweet mother of Cocchi, who or what is that coming down the street?!”
“Ahh, that’s the new kid in town. No one knows his real name. Terrier will swear on Coronado’s grave, that his name is Handel while Dusty Rhoades believes it is Botch. Otherwise, the rest of Dumas knows him as Quasimodo.
“He’s a sod buster hired by Billy Aristotle over at the Broke Bach farm.”
“Poor fella looks like he’s been breaking dirt for some time, look at that hunched posture.”
“Gossip tells Gilliatt, that he was hired as a favor owed by Billy’s Pa. kind of uh…“I’ll scratch your bach if you scratch mine” arrangement.”
“Boy, Billy’s Pa must have done a lot of scratching… just look at the size of that so called bach of his. Where was he born?”
“Padri Martini tells us he was delivered on the Brandenburg farm down near Amarillo just a stones throw away from Cadillac ranch.”

“They were rushing the mother off the ranch trying to get into Dodge City to see Doc Adams, but they didn’t quite make it. He was “delivered” just as they reached the Brandenburg’s gate. He jus sort uh dropped out by the gate post. He’s one tough cuss, let me tell ya!”
(Doc Adams is the one with the black hat)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6FfH...ext=1&index=14
“All that remains from his childhood is a baby rattle he carries in his pocket along with a copy “Of Mice and Men”. The rattle portion is modeled after an Easter Island head tied to a piece of rope from St. Germaine’s bell tower.”
“Quasimodo likes the soft texture of the rope. Padre says Thor Heyerdahl brought the Easter Island head back from his “Kon Tiki” expeditions.”

“Hmmm…interesting. Well Rusty, tell me about your puzzle.”
“This Gilliatt, is a puzzle featuring Johann Sebastian Bach. The final composition will reveal variations of Bach manufactured by combining brushes with watercolor or oil.”
“Here is the completed picture on the bachs cover”
“Terrier claims that this variation you see at the upper right superimposed over the map of Vienna, is actually George Frideric Handel. In fact he believes Bach and Handel are one in the same postulated on the belief that they underwent a face transplant. Kind of like that movie “Face Off”.

“I fear we are flirting dangerously close to manufactured events from our recent past.”
“No need to get the jitters just yet Gilliatt, the firmament appears to be stable for the moment. Bachs and Handels are being addressed by competent chiropractors and the “AbCirclePro” respectively.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQybBoWBC7U

Gilliatt
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In the shipyard, many a worthy schooners are just lying quietly in their births, Gilliat: Indeed, these couple-of-centuries-old beauties might prove much too bulky for the litttle harbour to receive them, the waters might rise, the harbour's famous ostrich eggs might break.
Btw, I still enjoy a full omelette every now and then but "living off"-or on-"the hog" (massaged or not) is not a choice anymore, having chosen a pythagorean diet.
Odor-oh-no forever, said the bean spillionaire-to-be.
Last edited by yanni; 08-03-2010 at 09:25 AM.
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