Religion, Sex and Vulgarity

[kiki1982]

Oh, no, I did not at all mean that classes are defined in the same way as they were 100 years ago. You do not stay working class, upper class, middle class. It all depends on your job, but it is mostly not the guys in their manors who resent swearing, or not the people on the social estates, it is the people in their terraced houses who are shocked at every remotely possible swear word. Even 'crap' is forbidden now.

But the whole thing started with what I said. In the meantime people are more mobile in society, but still their attitudes change. The guy from the social estate who now works in the City will not want his children to say 'sh*t' although he might have said it in his childhood.

And that phenomenon not only is apparent in word use, but also accents (the vocalised R for example) and other moral values.

[Paulclem]

I think teaching context is important. As parents we didn't swear at all in front of my kids when they were young - although we all knew that it went on in the playground with their friends. Similarly, we didn't swear in front of their grandma, my wife's mother - and still don't. Neither did they.

Now they are a lot older, we are in different territory. I now don't mind them hearing that I swear for purpose - usually pain, but sometimes for humour in front of them. They in return swear for purpose too. None of us offensively to the other though.

It's been a kind of natural development.

[dizzydoll]

The Atheist let us be clear although I said this before . When I say religion I mean the heavenly messages of God in" holly books " . OK ?????
Others are the invention of men . So plz don't mix others with it .
I know It would appear as offensive but it is my duty to mention what is written in the holly Qur'an . Otherwise I would be a hypocrite who says one thing and does believe within himself in another thing .
For instance , God's said in the Qur'an : Distort the speech .... and twist their tongues so you would think this is from the book but this is not from the book and they say this is from God but this is not from God and they write the book by their own hands ...."(Alnesa', 64 ).

Hello caddy, I am pleased you signed up because its better that we learn freely from each other on a site like this. I learn from many different cultures and I disagree with some, its allowed. Human life must be like nature, it must be allowing.. surely. Anyway I would like you to watch and consider this message. Please watch:

OSHO: Anybody Who Gives You a Belief System is Your Enemy

He was a man of vision. You dont have to agree, just consider his understanding.

[kiki1982]

I think teaching context is important. As parents we didn't swear at all in front of my kids when they were young - although we all knew that it went on in the playground with their friends. Similarly, we didn't swear in front of their grandma, my wife's mother - and still don't. Neither did they.

Now they are a lot older, we are in different territory. I now don't mind them hearing that I swear for purpose - usually pain, but sometimes for humour in front of them. They in return swear for purpose too. None of us offensively to the other though.

It's been a kind of natural development.

I agree with that, though sme tend not and tend to object to anyting swearing, whether for purpose or not. Even when the purpose is to show that swearing without a purpose is stupid.

[MarkBastable]

Even when the purpose is to show that swearing without a purpose is stupid.

Only in the sense that talking without a purpose is stupid. I tend to be much more offended by people talking crap politely than by any amount of swearing in an interesting or intelligent or entertaining conversation.

[caddy_caddy]

Hello caddy, I am pleased you signed up because its better that we learn freely from each other on a site like this. I learn from many different cultures and I disagree with some, its allowed. Human life must be like nature, it must be allowing.. surely. Anyway I would like you to watch and consider this message. Please watch:

OSHO: Anybody Who Gives You a Belief System is Your Enemy

He was a man of vision. You dont have to agree, just consider his understanding.

Thx for the video Dizzy. I've watched it . What he is giving us is another belief system. Isn't it ?!!

[QUOTE=kiki1982;877670]

It all depends on your job,

TAXI DRIVERS
oh God!!

[dizzydoll]

Thx for the video Dizzy. I've watched it . What he is giving us is another belief system. Isn't it ?!!

Its not another belief system caddy, its always been there. He was born into a Hindu background, and thats probably the oldest faith in the world, altho some would argue and the Tao te Ching [China] is the oldest, either way these two share many similarities. Being from the west myself, I love the diversity of it all.

[caddy_caddy]

Old or new no problem . We can consider him as our enemy too since he is providing us with ideas , thoughts , whatever to believe in and follow as a system!!

[MarkBastable]

Old or new no problem . We can consider him as our enemy too since he is providing us with ideas , thoughts , whatever to believe in and follow as a system!!

Quite.


"Verily, Grasshopper - don't subscribe to ideas put to you by people who appear to know what they're talking about."

"Hey - that's a great idea! And you appear to know what you're talking about! I'll subscribe to that!"

[caddy_caddy]

I couldn't understand that fear of any system . Throughout history we have shown natural appeal or tendancy towards different types of system (s) . Anarchy is against human nature . We've developped towards more and more organization to our life . We are part of the solar system and everything around us follow a prescribed system . Giving us a belief system living according to it provides us with a sense of harmony with our universe and it's a proof that we belong to a universal system .
I've never felt that it is not inherent in my own nature . What's against my nature is the opposite .

[dizzydoll]

Old or new no problem . We can consider him as our enemy too since he is providing us with ideas , thoughts , whatever to believe in and follow as a system!!

Why is someone our enemy if they have a different belief system to us? Everyone is allowed to follow their own belief system. No one is better than any other, as all belief systems were devised by man.

[Paulclem]

I couldn't understand that fear of any system . Throughout history we have shown natural appeal or tendancy towards different types of system (s) . Anarchy is against human nature . We've developped towards more and more organization to our life . We are part of the solar system and everything around us follow a prescribed system . Giving us a belief system living according to it provides us with a sense of harmony with our universe and it's a proof that we belong to a universal system .
I've never felt that it is not inherent in my own nature . What's against my nature is the opposite .

I think there is a fear of the imposition of a belief system. I am lucky in the UK to be able to believe and practice whatever system I like. There are countries where this is not possible, and the suspicion is that in the countries where it is possible, it is disliked by certain facets of society.

[caddy_caddy]

You misunderstood me Dizzy . I was commenting on OSHO words . Osho is against any belief system . Plz correct me if I misunderstood him . So he is contradicting himself cz his is also a belief system . Do u get my point now ?

[dizzydoll]

I didnt misunderstand you caddy, firstly Osho is no enemy and over and above that he has a very firm understanding of how God fits into our lives [he touches on it in this youtube clip]

OSHO: Anybody Who Gives You a Belief System is Your Enemy

His point is that we should follow what feels right to us, rather than following what we are told to feel by others. Simple enough message and if more people followed his message there would be less friction between religion groups.

I am quite happy if everyone just respected and accepted everyone else's belief system. If this were the case there would be less conflict in the world.

[Paulclem]

I didnt misunderstand you caddy, firstly Osho is no enemy and over and above that he has a very firm understanding of how God fits into our lives [he touches on it in this youtube clip]

OSHO: Anybody Who Gives You a Belief System is Your Enemy

His point is that we should follow what feels right to us, rather than following what we are told to feel by others. Simple enough message and if more people followed his message there would be less friction between religion groups.

I am quite happy if everyone just respected and accepted everyone else's belief system. If this were the case there would be less conflict in the world.

The problem with Feels what's right to us is that it might not feel right to others in a radical way. I'm sure the prosecutors of the Inquisition felt it was right, and that extremists feel it is right. A belief system does give you a measure of your own feelings and inclinations - if they are way out of kilter, then it needs some looking at.