The Earth is FIXED in Space

[Musicology]

The fact remains that ZERO evidence has been produced for 1,000 mph Ocean movements. For 1,000 mph atmospheres moving. Or for 1,000 mph landmass rotations.

There are none. They have never existed.

And that completes my posts here.

Believe what you like. The facts of science say Earth Rotation is fantasy science.

[Lulim]

So take a look at this.

[kiki1982]

The fact remains that ZERO evidence has been produced for 1,000 mph Ocean movements. For 1,000 mph atmospheres moving. Or for 1,000 mph landmass rotations.

There are none. They have never existed.

And that completes my posts here.

Believe what you like. The facts of science say Earth Rotation is fantasy science.

So you call the moon not evidence?

I'd like to know whether it exists or not.

I think it doesn't, then it is convenient. Although I bl**dy well know it stares at me all night, every night, all year.

Or, or, I know, it's got a light bulb so it can switch itself off and on.

Embarrassing, isn't it, denying reality?

[The Atheist]

The fact remains that ZERO evidence has been produced for 1,000 mph Ocean movements.

This is complete bunkum, although as you dispute moon landings, it mightn't count.

Photographic evidence from the moon clearly shows the rotation of the earth, giving you the 1000 mph oceans.

But since it was all staged in Hollywood, I somehow doubt that will be sufficient.

When I get really bored I'm going to count up the number of different pieces of evidence you've ignored to date.

[MarkBastable]

Mark,

I am not asking you to sign up to a geocentric model.

As you keep saying, the title of this thread is The Earth is FIXED in Space. You repeatedly and justifiably insist that we return to that topic. Surely if you wanted to debunk the heliocentric model, you'd've called the thread The Earth IS NOT REVOLVING in Space. Your argument throughout has been that the heliocentric model is too absurd even to merit serious consideration. Because, as the title of the thread proposes, The Earth is FIXED in Space

I see your point. If your model is tenable, then no other model will matter. There will be no need to look further. Which is why I'm not interested in anything other than learning more about the geocentric model. I want to understand it.

So, given that the Earth is fixed in Space, could you please do me the favour of explaining the paradox of stars travelling at more than the speed of light in order to get around the earth in twenty-four hours? This is absolutely fundamental to the geocentric model, and completely relevant because your opening post concerned the movement of the stars around the earth. Explaining that movement is surely a very simple thing to do.

You see how easy I'm making it for you?

[Lokasenna]

Foucaults Pendulum does NOT prove the Rotation of the Earth. Why do you believe it does ? Because you have assumed from the outset that the Earth is rotating, haven't you ? A completely circular argument. Focaults Pendulum proves no such thing. The Sun is in a moving relationship to the Earth. So is the moon.

Show us some verifiable, proveable evidence of Earth's rotation on its axis in 24 hours. Show us evidence of 1,000 mph oceans. Show us evidence of 1,000mph atmospheric rotation. Show us evidence of the continents revolving on the Earth round in a circle in 24 hours. You cannot do it. Because ALL the data says the very opposite. Ask oceanographers, pilots of planes, geographers, honest men. The data says the Earth stands still and bodies rotate around it. ALL the data says so. NONE disagrees with it. The findings of science are clear, unanimous, unanswerable.

Your 'argument' here about Focault's Pendulum essentially boils down to "you're wrong because you're wrong." You refute the result of a proven, easily recreatable experiment (I myself have taken part in such a restaging) without giving any evidence as to why it is wrong. We have, all of us, provided plenty of evidence for the fact that the Earth is moving: Focault's Pendulum, the phases of the moon, the orbital patterns of artificial satellites, the impossibility of faster-than-light travel and the (still unanswered) aberration of starlight.

Frankly, your argument is no different than you standing there and noisily proclaiming that the sky is green. No matter what people say, no matter how self-evident the truth is, you'll continue demanding 'proof' that the sky is blue; you will demand that we provide some measure of 'blueness' while providing a link to some spurious website as absolute proof of its 'greeness'. You will also expect us to find, in a respectable and advanced scientific journal some paradoxical article discussing the simple, self-evident truth that the sky is blue. And even if we found that, you would doubtless write it off as part of a conspiracy.

[kiki1982]

circular argument indeed!

I think we have scared him off...

[Musicology]

Would you buy a used car from these jokers ?

ZERO verifiable evidence has been produced for 1,000 mph Ocean movements. From oceanography. ZERO verifiable evidence has come from physicists and weather experts for 1,000 mph atmospheres rotating the Earth. And ZERO verifiable evidence is available from anyone for 1,000 mph landmass rotations. Figures from all of these sciences are however available. They show the opposite.

In the meatime aircraft flights between any two cities in the entire world that are thousands of miles apart continue to take around the very same time to complete in either direction - allowing for headwinds. (Because the Earth obviously stops rotating at around 1,000 mph during those kind of flights. The Earth only starts rotating again around 1,000 mph when passengers are out of the airport at their destination after their baggage has been checked).

Courtesy of British Airways and Copernican Airways.

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT

'Ladies and Gentlemen,

Welcome aboard Copernican Airways Flight 007. From Los Angeles to Miami. Two cities separated by several thousand miles. Here is some flight data.

1. We will be taking off in 10 minutes.

2. The Earth below us would normally be rotating from West to East. At a speed close to 900 miles an hour. Miami is 2348 miles away from us. This Earth rotation is now cancelled - for health and safety reasons.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/s ... clnk&gl=uk

3. Thus, Miami will be NOT travelling at 900 mph and headed AWAY from us fast at the time we get into the air pointed at it. For health and safety reasons. Our flight speed will be around half of this usual Earth rotation speed. At best. Miami will NOT be rotated with the rest of the Earth below us. For health and safety reasons.

4. Those who are flying here to Los Angeles from Miami will NOT arrive here in less than 3 hours from now. For health and safety reasons. (Because the Earth rotation is being stopped for them too . So they finish their flight today and you can finish yours today also).

5. Coffee and tea are of course available.

Enjoy your flight !!!

[prendrelemick]

2. The Earth below us would normally be rotating from West to East. At a speed close to 900 miles an hour. Miami is 2348 miles away from us. Fortunately we too are rotating in a likewise manner whether in the air or on the ground, so it will not make a ha'penny of difference.

3. Passengers are reminded there will be a small charge for the tea and coffee as we operate in the real world

[The Atheist]

2. The Earth below us would normally be rotating from West to East. At a speed close to 900 miles an hour. Miami is 2348 miles away from us. Fortunately we too are rotating in a likewise manner whether in the air or on the ground, so it will not make a ha'penny of difference.

Silly man!

If the earth were really rotating, Miami would be going much faster than say, Liverpool and would quickly pass it, making GMT a complete farce.

[kiki1982]

Seems like we after all didn't scare him off.



Still the evidence is staring you in he face every night in the desguise of the moon which is mathemitically impossble to appear in the same way it does if the earth were standing still, but you don't like to face reality, do you, Musicology?

[prendrelemick]

Silly man!

If the earth were really rotating, Miami would be going much faster than say, Liverpool and would quickly pass it, making GMT a complete farce.

Liverpool and its people, know all the short cuts.

[Musicology]

It's like a thief caught in the headlights with his hand in the cookie jar !

Ask for documentary, verifiable, measured proof of 'Earth Rotation' and he starts to get abusive.

Let him find some from Earth Sciences. Does he produce any ? Of course not. He wants to divert us away from the subject.

So we stay right here and ask him to provide some. When the evidence is totally against his dogma.

Can't get more clear than that.

Welcome to Copernican Airways ! Earth Rotation stops until you check out your baggage at your airport destination.

[MarkBastable]

M - waste no more time pointing out the fallacies of the revolving earth. Instead, educate us - well, me, as I seem to be the only one who's interested - in the workings of the geocentric model. As you keep saying, the title of this thread is The Earth is FIXED in Space. You repeatedly and justifiably insist that we return to that topic - and so we should. Which is why I'm not interested in anything other than learning more about the geocentric model. I want to understand it.

So, given that the Earth is fixed in Space, could you please do me the favour of explaining the paradox of stars travelling at more than the speed of light in order to get around the earth in twenty-four hours? This is absolutely fundamental to the geocentric model, and completely relevant because your opening post concerned the movement of the stars around the earth. Explaining that movement is surely a very simple thing to do.

[Musicology]

Mark Bastable,

Since you wish to learn a subject that is new to you may I say that it requires you to accept first that the Rotation of the Earth (supposed) lacks any scientific, measured, verifiable, evidence in its support ? Since none has been presented here and I've tried hard to establish that as a foundation for our discussion. As you see.

Which, if you can accept as a true record of this thread so far I will also accept as the basis for a post/discussion on the stars.

Regards

M - waste no more time pointing out the fallacies of the revolving earth. Instead, educate us - well, me, as I seem to be the only one who's interested - in the workings of the geocentric model. As you keep saying, the title of this thread is The Earth is FIXED in Space. You repeatedly and justifiably insist that we return to that topic - and so we should. Which is why I'm not interested in anything other than learning more about the geocentric model. I want to understand it.

So, given that the Earth is fixed in Space, could you please do me the favour of explaining the paradox of stars travelling at more than the speed of light in order to get around the earth in twenty-four hours? This is absolutely fundamental to the geocentric model, and completely relevant because your opening post concerned the movement of the stars around the earth. Explaining that movement is surely a very simple thing to do.