The Earth is FIXED in Space

[kiki1982]

I asked my question before you asked yours, so first come first serve. I am not as gullible as Bastable and I require an answer to my question first as I have now exposed your model for the nonsense it is.

As you choose to ignore my question (firstly arguing it was irrelevant, now you seem to have changed your opinion somehow), you acknowledge that your model is nonsense as I say it is.

I repeat: the geocentric model is MATHEMAICALY IMPOSSIBLE due to the appearance of the phases of the moon in the night sky. They are not compatible with a fixed earth and an orbit of sun and moon around it.

There should not even be a conversation about this actually. But, you still have a chance to come up with an explanation, which I am naturally confident you will not be able to as it is MATHEMATICALLY IMPOSSIBLE.

mediaval dogma: still 730, maybe already 1000
geocentric nonsense: big f/phat 0

[MarkBastable]

Yes, if they are relevant to the observable, published, and verifiable facts of science in respect of this thread. Of course. Since your delay in answering mine are already prevarication, delay and hang-ons, aren't they ?

We won't know whether they are relevant until we get he answers, will we? So I'll take that as a 'no'. You have previous on this.

[Musicology]

We won't know whether your two questions are relevant until we receive your two questions, will we ?

And still the clock is ticking. When do we finally get a straight Yes or No to the two questions you have promised to answer ? Here they are for the third time -

Q1. Does your model suggest the land of America is rotating from West to East around 900 miles an hour during the 5 hours or so a plane takes to cross from Miami to Los Angeles and a plane headed in the opposite direction at the same speed from Los Angeles to Miami ? (A total change of around 4,500 miles). Give or take for head winds etc. Please give a simple Yes or No please ?

and -

Q2. Do you accept that the actual distance between Miami (Florida) and Los Angeles (California) is around 2348 miles (3778 kilometres) ? Yes or No please ?

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_m...les_California

We won't know whether they are relevant until we get he answers, will we? So I'll take that as a 'no'. You have previous on this.

[Musicology]

Still no answer.

[kiki1982]

My question is clearly relevant, yet it is not answered, even after days of discussion.

I guess you cannot answer it because you are unable because your model is nonsense, as I have exposed it.

[Hurricane]

Hurricane,

You say NASA put men into space (beyond the Van Allen Belt) and brought them back again. You are of course entitled to believe this and I respect your right to believe this. I do not. Since space beyond the Van Allen Belt would not be survived by Lovell or anyone else. Nor were any precautions taken to survive it. Space is utterly beyond the manned Apollo missions.

Captain Lovell and his crew never went into outer space. They were in low orbit of the Earth and never went outside of the Earth's atmosphere. But if you have evidence to the contrary which can be verified please present it on a different thread. Since this thread (as you can see) is on the subject of the Earth being fixed in space.

Regards

So we didn't land on the moon or send men into space? Um, okay. I'm sorry, but I trust the integrity of Lovell and the math of the major enginerds of NASA over "they just couldn't do it" from someone who doesn't seem to have much in the way of astronautical engineering degrees. The Apollo Missions (and Mercury, and pretty much anything NASA has done) were phenomenal feats of engineering, but they were possible and did happen, even though we had to learn how the hard way.
Most of the arguments I've heard that state we didn't land on the moon are based off of bad gouge and a poor understanding of science. For example: the Van Allen belt does contain high levels of radiation, which could conceivably kill a man, if he stays there long enough. However, it turns out you move pretty fast when you've been punted into space on the top of a Saturn V rocket, and the Apollo astronauts got through quickly and dodged any severe effects.
(Evidence: http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/S2ch3.htm)
I think this is completely relevant to the discussion. The fact that humans have survived space travel, to include orbiting and landing on the moon, based off the calculations of a heliocentric model, proves that the earth is not fixed in space, doesn't it?

[Musicology]

Kiki,

This is now the third time today I have told you the issues already under discussion first require your agreement before we examine these other issues beyond the Earth. This thread being on the Earth. (These three issues are related to the Earth, the atmosphere of the Earth, and the ocean of the Earth because that is the subject of this thread). Data on all three of them is freely available and can be verified from published sources. So this is the last time I am asking you to accept it. Outside of which I will not waste my time.

Confronted with reality you just can't accept it, can you ? And Mark Bastable still can't answer the two questions already given hours before with a simple Yes or No.

What a demolition of dogma !

My question is clearly relevant, yet it is not answered, even after days of discussion.

I guess you cannot answer it because you are unable because your model is nonsense, as I have exposed it.

[kiki1982]

And it is the umpteenth time I have asked you this week to explain to me the phases of the moon and still you keep ignoring my request under the pretence that you have asked one first which is just not true.

Now, the phases of the moon are a FACT and it does not comply with your model.

Turn it how you want it, it will NEVER comply because your model is FALSE and it will stay FALSE until eternity because it IS FALSE in a mathematical way. It is just IMPOSSIBLE MATHEMIATICALLY to have the phases as they are AND an orbit of sun and moon around the earth. And I will keep repeating it.

The geocentric model is FALSE clearly, empirically proven by the phases of the moon and the heliocentric model is proven by other empirical evidence which is then faultily explained by the fixed earth people who are desperate to prove their model is right. Yet, there is one thing they will never be able to explain an which they never do and that is the moon staring at them in its various positions and phases all night long.

Turn it how you want, the geocentric model is as false as the universe is big.

But accepting it will take a lot of effort I see.

[Musicology]

Thanks to the Moderators of this Forum for allowing this thread on 'The Earth is Fixed in Space'.

Readers will draw their own conclusions. And that's fine.

Regards

Hurricane,

I respect your opinion. But it's an opinion you've been given by powerful, hugely financed corporations. For decades. Whose interests are far above those of ordinary men and women.

There is already a ton of evidence Man did not walk on the Moon. Some of it is compelling. Still, I leave only one example from thousands. Actual NASA film. Not released until recently. Judge for yourself.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxe_M...eature=related

Best wishes

So we didn't land on the moon or send men into space? Um, okay. I'm sorry, but I trust the integrity of Lovell and the math of the major enginerds of NASA over "they just couldn't do it" from someone who doesn't seem to have much in the way of astronautical engineering degrees. The Apollo Missions (and Mercury, and pretty much anything NASA has done) were phenomenal feats of engineering, but they were possible and did happen, even though we had to learn how the hard way.
Most of the arguments I've heard that state we didn't land on the moon are based off of bad gouge and a poor understanding of science. For example: the Van Allen belt does contain high levels of radiation, which could conceivably kill a man, if he stays there long enough. However, it turns out you move pretty fast when you've been punted into space on the top of a Saturn V rocket, and the Apollo astronauts got through quickly and dodged any severe effects.
(Evidence: http://lsda.jsc.nasa.gov/books/apollo/S2ch3.htm)
I think this is completely relevant to the discussion. The fact that humans have survived space travel, to include orbiting and landing on the moon, based off the calculations of a heliocentric model, proves that the earth is not fixed in space, doesn't it?

[kiki1982]

You call that evidence?

It is a film on YouTube no more, no less.

Thatis neither scientific, nor even credible, if it were only for the music and the voice.

[The Atheist]

Actually, while some may use that claim, I do not. I affirm that they WERE on the ark. However, this is not the place for this discussion.

Crikey, I can't imagine anywhere better myself!

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FTW!

“Gilliatt, no matter where you stand, you will always be the center of your universe”

spin a bucket of water over your head.

Wow! The water stays inside!

I was going to use that!

So we didn't land on the moon or send men into space?

No we did not!

But don't say it near Buzz Aldrin!

Thanks to the Moderators of this Forum for allowing this thread on 'The Earth is Fixed in Space'.

Readers will draw their own conclusions. And that's fine.

Regards

Readers will indeed draw their own conclusions.

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I thought this might be a very good time to close your "argument" once and for all.

I'm thoroughly impressed by your night time-lapse photos, so I have a nice, easy task for you which will categorically, undeniably, photographically prove to you that your premise is sillier than a silly thing wearing woad under a Ronald MacDonald outfit.

It doesn't even require you to do any mathematics at all.

Set up your camera in a FIXED position.

Set it to take one exposure every 30 minutes from 9 pm to 5 am every night for two or three weeks. At the same time, plot the path of the moon through the sky.

Make sure you camera is aiming at where either Venus, Mars, Jupiter or Saturn appear in your night sky. If you can get the moon in as well, so much the better.

When you look at the pictures in sequence, you can track the planets and note that among all of the universe orbiting the earth, the planets are going in a totally different direction, as well as the moon going in a different direction to the rest of the universe and the planets, thus refuting your premise.

If the photographic evidence alone isn't sufficient, you can extrapolate the tracks onto a piece of paper - or even better, a simple CAD program - and plot the tracks of everything!

Once you have grasped the simple idea that the earth isn't actually the centre of the universe, I will be more than happy to simply explain the physics which allows the ocean to stay still in the face of 1000mph revolutions, why the coriolis effect actually exists, why days are longer in summer and shorter in winter and all of the myriad other myteries which arise out of earth not being the centre of the entire universe.

[kiki1982]

Couldn't have said it better myself

[Hurricane]

No we did not!

But don't say it near Buzz Aldrin!

For the sake of those who don't get the reference and also because it's awesome, here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUI36tPKDg4

Edited to add: I'm not convinced by a blurry video. If they showed the ENTIRE video, without the "spooky" music and the narration and let it stand on it's own, I'm sure it would tell a very different tale.

[Musicology]

Hi there Hurricane,

The blurry video issue. Well, there is one of Neil Armstrong 'walking on the moon' which did not convince you also, yes ? And that was not in colour but even more blurry black and white.

As for the video posted here, it's part of a much larger DVD. Taken from (as you can see) NASA Apollo material itself. You can see for yourself the light streaming into the window from outside. How could that happen 'half way to the moon' ? And you can see the cabin has been darkened as the film of the apparently circular Earth is being filmed. With movement clearly seen of men and equipment between the camera and the supposed image of that receding Earth. I think a fair minded person would agree these facts in combination tend to speak for themselves. This material coming (as is shown) from NASA footage obtained decades after these events. The Apollo missions were faked. Or, so I and others believe. And for various reasons.

Part of a much bigger documentary on the subject. How these images can fit in to your beliefs of the genuiness of those Apollo missions is an interesting question but I will respectfully leave it there. Since I do respect your opinions and have my own.

Regards

For the sake of those who don't get the reference and also because it's awesome, here's the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUI36tPKDg4

Edited to add: I'm not convinced by a blurry video. If they showed the ENTIRE video, without the "spooky" music and the narration and let it stand on it's own, I'm sure it would tell a very different tale.

[BienvenuJDC]

Crikey, I can't imagine anywhere better myself!

I would think that a thread devoted to dinosaurs would be more appropriate.