The Earth is FIXED in Space

[MarkBastable]

I think you misunderstand. I entirely accept that if I were to set up that camera, I'd end up with exactly the photo that you suggest - and that I expect. I'd expect it because this model predicts it. It predicts the photo exactly as well as your model predicts it. So - what are we to do about incompatible models that adequately explain the same phenomenon?

Well, no.

Since, if you set up such an experiment yourself I would have no input into it. The results would be entirely your own. And, when you have such results, see how they will be treated by your colleagues.

'Mendacious science' is easily identified by its failure to allow major criticism of its underlying assumptions. And with that Darwinian/Copernican backdrop I think you have your answer.

At least, so I believe.

[OrphanPip]

The pictures were explained ages ago, it's created by the rotation of the Earth.

[Musicology]

In such a case, Mark, we must call on other evidence which proves to be completely incompatible with one or both of those models. How about the outcome of attempts to measure the speed of light ? Which, it was assumed, would be influenced in their results by the Earth travelling around the Sun and rotating at 1,000 miles per hour as it did so. The notorious experiments of the Mickelson experiment. To the astonishment of those involved the results showed no change at all. It showed only constant speed.

The "scientific" community panicked when the Michelson-Morey experiment showed no variation in the speed of light due to the supposed rapid movement of the Earth around the Sun! And THAT was the true reason for the invention of "Professor" Einstein and his theory of relativity which eliminated the ether!!

As already posted. So, once again, here are results which do not support the conventions you subscribe to. And which clearly did not conform to expectations also. The possibility the Earth stands still was, of course, instantly dismissed. Although nobody had reason to do so. They still don't. Such is the power of dogma. And of convention.

Enter Stage left, Einstein. To muddy the waters still more. Thus filling the embarrasing gap, the logical conclusion, that the Earth, in fact, stands still and that the Sun and stars move around it. A view entirely compatible with the known facts and contrary to none of them.

So, there, since you ask for it, is one simple example of the elegant solution and superiority of the view that the Earth really IS fixed in space and that the Sun and starts really DO act as said.

Numerous other powerful proofs indicate the same. Some of which have already been posted here. I began with time-lapsed images taken of stars above the North Pole. Here too we find the same. Again, what of the atmosphere if the Earth is really rotating at 1,000mph. Is it, the Earth's atmosphere tied to, fixed to, the Earth ? Does it, the Earth's atmosphere, revolve at around 1,000 mph too ? These are basic questions you may consider. Since, if a plane enters a cloud flying in the direct opposite direction to the alleged rotation of the Earth and its atmosphere how long would it take such a plane to leave that cloud on the other side of it ? Either the cloud is travelling at 1,000 mph or it is not. Either the Earth's atmosphere is travelling at 1,000 mph or it is not. Which ?

Rgds

I think you misunderstand. I entirely accept that if I were to set up that camera, I'd end up with exactly the photo that you suggest - and that I expect. I'd expect it because this model predicts it. It predicts the photo exactly as well as your model predicts it. So - what are we to do about incompatible models that adequately explain the same phenomenon?

You have invented the rotation of the Earth to explain it. Since the alternative is deemed to be unthinkable. By you.

The pictures were explained ages ago, it's created by the rotation of the Earth.

[OrphanPip]

You seem capable of amazing feats of delusion. The Michelson experiment was an attempt to prove the existence of the ether, and it failed miserably because the ether doesn't exist. This didn't rock the foundations of science since the ether was already widely doubted. For the Earth not to be moving you would have to disprove Foucault's pendulum.

So, you believe Newton's theory about an ether being needed to propagate light over Einstein, but then you reject Newton as an occultist when it suits you. you're quite special.

[Musicology]

Orphan Pip,

Tell us this. The Earth (you say) is rotating at around 1,000 mph. Are the clouds in the sky also rotating at around the same speed as the Earth below them ? Fixed to the Earth by some invisible umbilical chord ? Or are they moving far slower ?

You seem capable of amazing feats of delusion. The Michelson experiment was an attempt to prove the existence of the ether, and it failed miserably because the ether doesn't exist. This didn't rock the foundations of science since the ether was already widely doubted. For the Earth not to be moving you would have to disprove Foucault's pendulum.

So, you believe Newton's theory about an ether being needed to propagate light over Einstein, but then you reject Newton as an occultist when it suits you. you're quite special.

[kiki1982]

@OrphanPip

Be careful, or he might start to ignore you, he is already doing it with me as my question doesn't suit him.

I'll have to wait bl**dy long for my answer.

But you're right, it is hilarious.

@Musicology (if you still acknowledge me, that is)

What about yes? But, oh, I forgot, there is no gravity, is there, that keeps the atmosphere with the earth so we can actually breathe (that is right isn't it, Pip?).

[Musicology]

Kiki,

Let me ask more or less the same question.

If the Earth is really rotating at approximately 1,000 mph do the clouds above the Earth also rotate at the same speed ? With the Earth ?

If so, what happens if a 1,000 mile long cloud is entered by a plane travelling in the direct opposite direction to that rotation of the Earth ? How long would it take such a plane to get out of that cloud if it, the plane, is only travelling at 500 mph ?

Be careful, or he might start to ignore you, he is already doing it with me as my question doesn't suit him.

I'll have to wait bl**dy long for my answer.

But you're right, it is hilarious.

[Satan]

Why don't you do us all a G*I*A*N*T favor and buy yourself a book on fundamental physics? Stop embarrassing yourself. It's not even funny anymore.

[Lote-Tree]

Why don't you do us all a G*I*A*N*T favor and buy yourself a book on fundamental physics? Stop embarrassing yourself. It's not even funny anymore.

It's wee bit of British humour ;-)

[Musicology]

Lote-tree,

Great answer !!!

What was your answer ?

Here is the question. Are clouds travelling at around the same speed as the alleged speed of 'rotation of the Earth' ?

Yes

or

No

a) Are they (clouds) travelling around 1,000 mph. Roughly corresponding with the alleged speed of 'Earth's rotation' ?

b) Around 100 mph ?

or

c) Sometimes far slower ?


and finally -

Did you ever stop to think for yourself ?

[Lote-Tree]

Lote-tree,

Great answer !!!

What was your answer ?

Here is the question. Are clouds travelling at around the same speed as the alleged speed of 'rotation of the Earth' ?

Yes

or

No

Are they (clouds) travelling around 1,000 mph ?

Around 100 mph ?

or

Sometimes far slower ?

My answer?

You are beating a dead horse my old Cockney chap ;-)

[Musicology]

You are completely correct Lote-Tree.

As the saying goes - 'You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink'.

Thus, the horse died from lack of water.

My answer?

You are beating a dead horse my old Cockney chap ;-)

[BienvenuJDC]

It was my understanding that the SUN was in its own orbit with at least nine planets orbiting the sun, each (or at least most) having their own natural satellites (moons) orbiting them. So...with all this complexity of orbits...WHAT is actually the center of the sun's orbit, and is THAT object in an orbit of its own too?

[Musicology]

The Sun's orbit varies from day to day through the year. Until it begins a new cycle at the start of the next year. A sort of spiral.

I do not have a diagram. It's an interesting question and I don't have the expertise to answer you. Others surely do.

Regards

It was my understanding that the SUN was in its own orbit with at least nine planets orbiting the sun, each (or at least most) having their own natural satellites (moons) orbiting them. So...with all this complexity of orbits...WHAT is actually the center of the sun's orbit, and is THAT object in an orbit of its own too?

Lote-tree is going to tell us if the clouds above us are travelling at 1,000 mph. But he is so modest he's a little bit shy.

It's wee bit of British humour ;-)

[Lote-Tree]

You are completely correct Lote-Tree.

As the saying goes - 'You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink'.

Thus, the horse died from lack of water.

Come on chaps and chappeses get the hint ;-)