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    "Lettre sur les aveugles à l’usage de ceux qui voient" by Diderot, 1749.

    "He was here at the Concert on Wednesday, & as a great Favor staid late on purpose to give us a Couple of Songs when most of the Company were gone. It is vastly agreable as well as Odd to hear him. His Skill is certainly very great, & his Songs are as much suited to his Expression in Singing as his Solos are to his Playing.

    He is an Odd Creature, & the more I see him the more curious I am to know something about him. He is everything with everybody: he talks Ingeniously with Mr. Wray , Philosophy with Ld. Willoughby , & is gallant with Miss Yorke, Miss Carpenter & all the Young Ladies. …I can't but fancy he is a great Pretender in all kinds of Science, as well as that he really has acquired an uncommon Share in some. - Well! so much for Monsr. le Comte de St. Germain, whom neither you nor I have anything to do with…"


    btw: My then interpretation of "An artist's studio" was wrong. Christina was referring to "G's" vision of "maiden Liberty" as it-and his then half known story- had evolved in England in her time.

    Greetings
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    And something wonderful at this festive time.

    1/3

    J.S. Bach
    Chorus
    Christmas Oratorio

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fUsZ...eature=related

    2/3

    J.S. Bach
    Magnificat in D Major
    'Esuriente'
    Soloist - Bernarda Fink

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt_x4WonkDk


    3/3

    G.F. Handel
    'He Shall Feed His Flock'
    From, 'The Messiah'
    Soloists - Andreas Scholl/Barbara Schlick

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9rw3RLv9AY
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    The plot thickens!

    I wish you all a Happy New Year, with or without JS Bach.

    Mozart scholars in particular (like Robert who initiated this thread) may be interested in a piece of....creative art by the title "The Mozart Conspiracy":

    Enlisted by Leigh Llewellyn - the beautiful opera star and Ben's first love - to investigate her brother's mysterious death, former SAS operative Ben finds himself caught up in a centuries-old puzzle.

    Officially, Oliver died in a tragic accident whilst investigating Mozart's death, but the facts don't add up. His research reveals that Mozart, a notable freemason, may have been killed by a shadowy splinter group of the cult. The only clues lie in an ancient letter, believed to have been written by the composer himself.

    When Leigh and Ben receive video evidence of a ritual sacrifice being performed, they realise that the sect is still exists - and will stop at nothing to keep its secrets.


    LOL!


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    Happy 2010 to everyone here. Let's hope it brings us all success and a peaceful and happy new year. We all need it !

    Speaking of music - what better start to the year than this magnificent piece ? -

    Cantata 11
    Chorus

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDWeTVbkft8

    Humbly submitted for the approval of Yanni by a certain Herr Johann Sebastian Bach



    Greetings !

    And -

    Cantata 140

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC35G...om=PL&index=12

    ''Greater than mystery is what is revealed'' !

    Quote Originally Posted by yanni View Post
    I wish you all a Happy New Year, with or without JS Bach.

    Mozart scholars in particular (like Robert who initiated this thread) may be interested in a piece of....creative art by the title "The Mozart Conspiracy":

    Enlisted by Leigh Llewellyn - the beautiful opera star and Ben's first love - to investigate her brother's mysterious death, former SAS operative Ben finds himself caught up in a centuries-old puzzle.

    Officially, Oliver died in a tragic accident whilst investigating Mozart's death, but the facts don't add up. His research reveals that Mozart, a notable freemason, may have been killed by a shadowy splinter group of the cult. The only clues lie in an ancient letter, believed to have been written by the composer himself.

    When Leigh and Ben receive video evidence of a ritual sacrifice being performed, they realise that the sect is still exists - and will stop at nothing to keep its secrets.


    LOL!

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    [QUOTE=Musicology;819620]And something wonderful at this festive time.

    J.S. Bach
    Chorus
    Christmas Oratorio

    J.S. Bach
    Magnificat in D Major
    'Esuriente'
    Soloist - Bernarda Fink

    G.F. Handel
    'He Shall Feed His Flock'
    From, 'The Messiah'
    Soloists - Andreas Scholl/Barbara Schlick

    Quote Originally Posted by Musicology View Post
    Happy 2010 to everyone here...

    Speaking of music - what better start to the year than this magnificent piece ? -

    Cantata 11
    Chorus

    Cantata 140
    Musicology,
    I’m a little late, but those pieces are wonderful.
    Since architecture is my line of work, I was naturally drawn to the church where Weihnachtsoratorium BWV 248 was performed. I expanded the “more info” and discovered that it was recorded at Münster Heilsbronn.

    Here is the Wikipedia link, for those who are interested:

    http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ca..._in_Heilsbronn

    The New Year’s pieces are wonderful as well and I noticed the clever choice of the YouTube recording of Cantata 11 chorus by “Mozartharmony”. If that wasn’t intentional, then I am shocked that your Mozart security filters let that one get past you!

    Thanks again for sharing.


    Quote Originally Posted by yanni View Post
    I wish you all a Happy New Year, with or without JS Bach.

    Mozart scholars in particular (like Robert who initiated this thread) may be interested in a piece of....creative art by the title "The Mozart Conspiracy":

    Enlisted by Leigh Llewellyn...
    ...may have been killed by a shadowy splinter group of the cult. The only clues lie in an ancient letter, believed to have been written by the composer himself.

    When Leigh and Ben receive video evidence of a ritual sacrifice being performed, they realise that the sect is still exists - and will stop at nothing to keep its secrets.
    Great Athena’s ghost! Why are you doing this to us Yanni?
    I bet Dan Brown had a hand in this!

    Gilliatt
    "Mongo only pawn in game of life" - Mongo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKRma7PDW10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Musicology View Post
    Humbly submitted for the approval of Yanni by a certain Herr Johann Sebastian Bach


    Bach was not my point, Robert (and, btw, the Bachs, as a music family with strong links to London, Paris and "G", must indeed be thoroughly researched as well)but the repetition of similar efforts, ie the clearly seen trend or "pattern", of creating another "truth", via fiction or "research", to suit "our" interests.

    Cheers.

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    Great Athena’s ghost! Why are you doing this to us Yanni?
    I bet Dan Brown had a hand in this!


    Tell me one good reason why such an interesting subject must be wasted on pre 1750 music quotations, Gilliat!

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    Hi there Yanni.

    It was Christmas/New Year so we could enjoy this music, pre-1750 or not.

    Latest news on the Mozart is that I'm working on the operas. That's fun, for sure.

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    Manufacturing patterns by innocent fiction authors!

    The Manufacture of Mozart: an upcoming book by Robert Newman
    English author shows Jesuit control of the arts dating back 400 years
    By Greg Szymanski, JD
    May 14, 2009
    It’s hard for Americans to believe that the Jesuits and Vatican have had their control fingers on entertainment and education for at least four centuries, perhaps more.
    But if you are doubtful, take the time to look at how they even controlled and manufactured the most famous composer of all time, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.
    Be assured if they could control and manufacture Mozart, they can do the same to the likes of Bono, Madonna, Tom Hanks and Ron Howard.
    To prove this point English author Robert Newman has dedicated 15 years of his life uncovering how the Vatican and Jesuits perpetrated the Mozart fraud.
    http://www.arcticbeacon.com/greg/?p=1156

    The Mozart Conspiracy
    (The second book in the Ben Hope series)
    (2008)
    A novel by
    Scott Mariani

    An ancient murder! A clandestine society! A conspiracy that will end in death...Former SAS operative Ben Hope is running for his life. Enlisted by the beautiful Leigh Llewellyn - world famous opera star and Ben's first love - to investigate her brother's mysterious death, Ben finds himself caught up in a centuries-old puzzle. The official line states that Oliver died whilst investigating Mozart's death, but the facts don't add up. Oliver's research reveals that Mozart, a notable freemason, may have been killed by a shadowy and powerful splinter group of the cult. The only clues lie in an ancient letter, believed to have been written by Mozart himself. When Leigh and Ben receive video evidence of a ritual sacrifice being performed by hooded men, they realise that the sect is still in existence today!and will stop at nothing to remain a secret. From the dreaming spires of Oxford to Venice's labyrinthine canals, the majestic architecture of Vienna and Slovenia's snowy mountains, Ben and Leigh must forget the past and race across Europe to uncover the truth behind THE MOZART CONSPIRACY!An electrifying and utterly gripping must read for fans of Dan Brown, Sam Bourne and Ludlum's Bourne series.
    http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/m/...conspiracy.htm

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    Yanni,

    I think there is a difference between fiction and non-fiction. And there is a difference between the opinions of an author and the opinions of others. Fortunately I'm not a writer of fiction and have no need to invent anything. I'm very happy for readers of my book on Mozart to judge the argument on the documentary and historical evidence alone. In fact this revolutionary approach to Mozart studies may even be welcomed by you as an answer to 200 years of fairy stories. Judge for yourself having examined both sides. That's fair and reasonable, don't you agree ?

    Regards

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    The fact that you were unable to support your claim that Mozart was manufactured by the Jesuits alllows me to call your work an "invention", a work of fiction, dont you think?

    And don't you by now find your "declaration of intent", as presented by Greg Szymanski, out of tune?

    And don't you see how your book-to-be follows in step with Scott Mariani's, Dan Brown etc etc, all mumbling in chorus the same convenient old nonsense over and over?

    I do!

    At http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/Art...nspiracy_2.htm you'll be able to read a more modern (Sept 2008) version of the Illuminati vs Jesuits story that finds me in full agreement.

    For more on "Mozart's manufacture" I am preparing a 1777-1779 timeline, "Mozart in Paris", with data from W.A.M. as well as "Grimm" and all other relevant aliases of "G".

    Cheers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Musicology View Post
    Yanni,

    I think there is a difference between fiction and non-fiction. And there is a difference between the opinions of an author and the opinions of others. Fortunately I'm not a writer of fiction and have no need to invent anything. I'm very happy for readers of my book on Mozart to judge the argument on the documentary and historical evidence alone. In fact this revolutionary approach to Mozart studies may even be welcomed by you as an answer to 200 years of fairy stories. Judge for yourself having examined both sides. That's fair and reasonable, don't you agree ?

    Regards
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    Yanni,

    I don't know why you are so sensitive to criticism of Jesuit control of music and culture across continental Europe since the time of the Council of Trent (1545-1653) up to 1773 and even beyond, into the so-called Englightenment, when such things are plain and basic facts of European history. The Jesuits (amongst other things) were pioneers in opera, theatre, and many other areas of culture and education. But this is a plain fact of European history. A gigantic project of church painting, architecture, sculpture, music, publishing, academic control etc. etc. was begun after the Council of Trent to roll back protestant influence. And, prior to their temporary dissolution in 1773, the Jesuit control of music and academic publising was almost total, right across the Holy Roman Empire. Perhaps we should 'edit' out these massive facts of European history from our textbooks and pretend these things are untrue ?

    You might consider sending in your CV to the editors of 'Encyclopaedia Brittanica' who have been editing out embarrasing chapters of European history ever since copyright of that great encyclopaedia was sold in the early 20 th century.

    If the facts of the Jesuit led Counter-Reformation are embarrasing please don't draw our attention to them. But denying the Jesuit led Counter Reformation was a giant movement in all areas of European culture makes you look like a person who is living in denial. Dan Brown stuff, yes ?

    You will shortly tell us about Mozart's musical education, right ? Because, so far, we have heard nothing from you. Maybe the Jesuit education of Mozart's father has something to do with it ? Or the dozens of Jesuit associates of Mozart's career. This too is a sheer coincidence, right ?

    This influence, in later years, also involved other fraternities and patrons which were used by the same Counter Reformation right across continental Europe and beyond as they sought to increase their influence through Freemasonry, Rosicrucianism, Illuminatists, etc. The Illuminatists coming from a Jesuit university themselves. But that is just another coincidence, right, Yanni ? Before the same Jesuit Order (who went underground) were again restored, in 1814. But what do I know about the Jesuits ? We must pretend they never existed, right ? That their influence was minor. And that Mozart wrote operas before breakfast and sonatas before lunch. Never having studied harmony, orchestration or composition during his entire life. In such a universe, Yanni, we may believe complete nonsense.

    But it's OK.




    Regards
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    Concerto in D Major
    BWV 249

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvI2a...eature=related

    Orchestral Suite No. 2
    Overture
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwoEv...eature=related

    Masterful !!
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    For your much needed enlightment Robert, I suggest you start with Rousseau’s “Emile”, a universally recognized "first european" study on the merits of education. If you chose to accompany your reading with some "music", here are some interesting sites:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Buv...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEdp5...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ben4Axvd4mY.

    When you reach “Christophe de Beaumont, Roman Catholic Archbishop of Paris", call again!

    Other readers will soon find promised “Mozart in Paris”, 1777-1779 timeline, at…..
    http://www.online-literature.com/for...threadid=40910
    (A thread on Leroux’s opera phantom identity).

    Cheers!
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    Yanni,

    Thank you for offering us 'enlightenment' on the subject of education. May I remind you that primary school education in Europe was pioneered almost exclusively 200 years earlier by the Reformers such as Martin Luther in Germany ? That it was Luther and others of his time who made it possible for ordinary children from ordinary families to go to school. And to read and write ? The idea was so good that it is due to them that all nations do the same today. In fact, nobody did more to achieve a huge improvement in general education in Europe than the protestants. At a time when the 'Holy Roman Empire' had always reserved education for its own elites and for a small number of its closest associates. The exceptions being the orphanages. And at a time when that Empire had created ignorant masses who were able to neither read nor write. In the 10th century (200 years after Rome and the papacy had virtually taken over all governments of western Europe) the average town of Europe contained serfs of the feudal system who were as ignorant as any who ever lived. Entire monasteries were filled with monks who still could not write. And who could hardly count from one to ten. The elite ruling classes of Europe read only Aristotle or dogmas from their Latin catechisms. The state of European education was generally a disaster. And, even by the early 18th century the Jesuit strangelhold on education (nearly 200 years old) was so shameful that entire towns were complaining about useless standards of education being received by students in their schools, even in areas where the Jesuits were in total control of universities and colleges. Rousseau's 'Emile' was written for the education not of ordinary people but of these elite privileged families and has almost nothing to do with European society as a whole. The same privileged families who, for centuries, had male members who knew little and wanted to know little more than how to hunt deer, foxes, and rabbits and whose career aims were to learn Latin and to take part in crusades, horse riding events and religious pilgrimages. Later, to be faithful stooges of the fraternities. A society where the language of ordinary people was still outlawed in schools. As in France and Germany. In Italy and in Bohemia. And where each and every textbook for students was vetted by the same Jesuit Order, who, by this time, were also the censors of Europe. Have you read any of the mountain of complaints against the Jesuit educational system from the mayors of Portugal, France, Germany, Italy and elsewhere in the late 16th and 17th centuries ? They will embarass you.

    Mozart never went to school. Ever. And when this absurd state of student ignorance finally collapsed across Europe the embarrasment was that it had not been allowed to collapse before. Raised on a diet of superstitions, Mary worship, idols, and religious pilgrimages it was finally agreed by the powers that controlled the Holy Roman Empire that children should go to school. Now, distancing themselves from the Jesuit legacy they had to concoct a system of education which was called the 'enlightenment'. Meaning, in practice, fresh control of the same society through these same elites. But this time able to inflitrate non-Catholic lands. Such as England. This time in the name of the Encyclopaedists of Paris and their fraternal supporters in the newly invented Freemasons, the Rosicrucians, the Illuminatists through the same (hidden) Jesuit control. This merged with Venetian commercial Empire which had been successfully exported to the British. So that Rousseau and Voltaire (both closely associated with the same elites) would be presented today as models of 'enlightenment' when, in fact, they were part of the same roving theatre as Casanova, Cagliostro, and a hundred other actors of the 'Enlightenment'.

    The state of education in Germany was widely recognised to be far superior than virtually anywhere else in Europe. Why ? Because the ordinary boy or girl now had access to school education from an early age. Except in areas where the same old sytem still had influence. And because money spent on religious pilgrimages and the 'forgiveness of sins' was now being spent on primary education.

    Rousseau, 'enlightened', indeed !! You should ask his paymasters in the British East India Company. And that of Voltaire.

    As for fine music - (late Baroque)

    G.F. Fasch
    Overture in D Major

    Regards


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8skHH...eature=related



    Quote Originally Posted by yanni View Post
    For your much needed enlightment Robert, I suggest you start with Rousseau’s “Emile”, a universally recognized "first european" study on the merits of education. If you chose to accompany your reading with some "music", here are some interesting sites:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89Buv...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEdp5...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ben4Axvd4mY.

    When you reach “Christophe de Beaumont, Roman Catholic Archbishop of Paris", call again!

    Other readers will soon find promised “Mozart in Paris”, 1777-1779 timeline, at…..
    http://www.online-literature.com/for...threadid=40910
    (A thread on Leroux’s opera phantom identity).

    Cheers!
    Last edited by Musicology; 01-16-2010 at 10:51 AM.

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