What other people think

[Dark Muse]

Yes I agree with apathy, even though I did not care what other people think of me, I still need some intellectual stimulation.

And my posting on this forum is not often to talk about myself or get peoples opinions about me, it is to discuss literature. Being interested in how someone else perceives a book, story, poem, etc... is not the same thing as caring about that their thoughts about me personally is.

[Apathy]

completely indifferent Apathy?
Won't you feel happy and encouraged if u post a thread , a poem , a text or whatever and the LitNet said oh you are so great ., you have great ideas , oh and so and so??
At these moments we do care what the others do think of us!!
I think we don't care about what we don't like only.

Incorrect, firstly;
I write to solidify my thoughts so I can understand myself,
Poetry is not written to impress others, it is written as a form of catharsis.
If I posted something such as that, it is to express opinion, not to see what others think of me. And secondly; "People in their right mind never take pride in their talents" -Harper Lee(To Kill A Mockingbird)-

[caddy_caddy]

Yes I agree with apathy, even though I did not care what other people think of me, I still need some intellectual stimulation.

And my posting on this forum is not often to talk about myself or get peoples opinions about me, it is to discuss literature. Being interested in how someone else perceives a book, story, poem, etc... is not the same thing as caring about that their thoughts about me personally is.

You don't care about their " negative " thoughts . But don't you care about their " positive thoughts " of you ??Do u ignore them ?
I don't care what others do think of me " their negative attitudes " because I do believe since I am not violtating the rules of the forum , I have right to express myself like anyone else . It's their problem if they don't like me.
But for sure I would feel so happy if it is the other way .
What I spoke of is our personal writings .

I didn't say we are posting here to talk about oursleves although it is not sth to be ashamed of. When you share your experience with the others , it is one way to speak about yourself . Our opinions , attitudes, and the like are KEYS to our personality. At the beginining it may be your thoughts , concepts,... not you as a person . But with time it becomes you as a person . People would like that one behind the nickname because of your ideas , opinions , talent .

[caddy_caddy]

Incorrect, firstly;
I write to solidify my thoughts so I can understand myself,
Poetry is not written to impress others, it is written as a form of catharsis.
If I posted something such as that, it is to express opinion, not to see what others think of me. And secondly; "People in their right mind never take pride in their talents" -Harper Lee(To Kill A Mockingbird)-
I am not accusing you of anything to defend yourself.
So if you don't care what others think of you , why are u mad at me ?

[Dark Muse]

I cannot say I truly care about their positive thoughts about me, if I did than I would not post controversial or disagreeable things, and only go along with whatever anyone else says and agree with them.

I do not post just to try to gain approval or for the sake of seeking positive feedback, but more out of simple curiosity to see what others will say, but that is not quite the same as caring about what they say, at least not in a personal way. I am intellectually interested in the thoughts of others. But their thoughts good or bad will not have an affect upon me in my personal life.

If I am in a discussion I generally try not to ignore any comments, positive or negative.

[blazeofglory]

In point of fact we all are a bit arrogant and want that others have a very good opinions about others. We want to exhibit our dominating or egostic dispositions and at times we want to prove what we are not.

We want others to think we are great, rich, wise, educated, pwerful and the like.

[Apathy]

Incorrect, firstly;
I write to solidify my thoughts so I can understand myself,
Poetry is not written to impress others, it is written as a form of catharsis.
If I posted something such as that, it is to express opinion, not to see what others think of me. And secondly; "People in their right mind never take pride in their talents" -Harper Lee(To Kill A Mockingbird)-
I am not accusing you of anything to defend yourself.
So if you don't care what others think of you , why are u mad at me ?

I am not angry, I am just responding to your comment, do not take it personally.

[Apathy]

[QUOTE=Dark Muse;787382]I cannot say I truly care about their positive thoughts about me, if I did than I would not post controversial or disagreeable things, and only go along with whatever anyone else says and agree with them.

I do not post just to try to gain approval or for the sake of seeking positive feedback, but more out of simple curiosity to see what others will say, but that is not quite the same as caring about what they say, at least not in a personal way. I am intellectually interested in the thoughts of others. But their thoughts good or bad will not have an affect upon me in my personal life.

If I am in a discussion I generally try not to ignore any comments, positive or negative.[/QUOTE=Dark Muse;787382]

Exactly.

[John Lark]

"People in their right mind never take pride in their talents" -Harper Lee(To Kill A Mockingbird)-

I'm not quite sure I understand.

Say, for example, one defines himself as a lyric poet, and destroys every teleological relation to the surrounding world, that is, he does not write in order to -- in order to make money, in order to enlighten people, in order to achieve something -- what other reason can he provide to himself to substantiate his production (as a lyrical poet), other than the (often humorous) self-satisfaction and joy he receives from it?


What perplexes me, here, particularly as with regards to Harper Lee, is how anyone would even think of publishing their work if they presume to believe they have absolutely no pride in it.

[Apathy]

I'm not quite sure I understand.
What perplexes me, here, particularly as with regards to Harper Lee, is how anyone would even think of publishing their work if they presume to believe they have absolutely no pride in it.

Just because you believe you are right about something doesn't mean you are proud that you are right. Good Authors publish to make sure everybody knows what they think, not so they get showered in praise, which is why a lot of great books do not sell well because the opinions expressed are contradict to the majority. If you found out when the world would end, you would probably tell everyone but you wouldn't be proud of it. When a doctor diagnoses an incurable disease, and is correct, do you think he takes a lot of pride in his skills as a diagnotician?

[John Lark]

Just because you believe you are right about something doesn't mean you are proud that you are right. Good Authors publish to make sure everybody knows what they think, not so they get showered in praise, which is why a lot of great books do not sell well because the opinions expressed are contradict to the majority. If you found out when the world would end, you would probably tell everyone but you wouldn't be proud of it. When a doctor diagnoses an incurable disease, and is correct, do you think he takes a lot of pride in his skills as a diagnotician?

Ah, indeed; but you see, I think writing is a wholly separate matter entirely -- as it is an act of production, production of one's own; it's the actualisation of creativity, spunk, imagination, and thus requires particular consideration.

Just as God, Elohim, Yahweh, or whatever else one wishes to call the character, in Genesis looked upon his creations and at vary stages remarked that they were 'good', and after reviewing the completed Earth, the heavens, all the animals, and the first man, concluded that everything 'was very good', the creative writer, too, after examining his own finished work, must also conclude that 'it is good', otherwise he spends his time adding, taking away, sifting, correcting, and reforming until he can finally conclude as such.

Or, to adopt a further analogy, in the same way one doesn't tell a joke that one oneself doesn't find funny, the lyrical author, in his personal domain, doesn't dare publicise a work that is lacking in what he regards as metrical eurhythmy. -- Thence it follows that self-satisfaction is the key to all creative production; outside it, all is but chore, duty, or drudgery.


Alternatively,

If pride can only be negated by occasions of a purely detrimental or poignant variety, then can having it really be such a bad thing?

[Veho]

"Just be yourself, because life's too short to be anybody else."

A quote I rather like.

[blazeofglory]

To be oneself all one has to do is unlearn or de-condition oneself.

Our minds are layered and our thoughts are simply modifications of our experiences of the past.

To live in the now is hard.

[Apathy]

"I would rather be hated for who I am than loved for who I am not."
-Kurt Cobain-
"Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are"
-Kurt Cobain-

These are Quotes that I adore and I think express my feelings towards this topic. Also, Nirvana is an amazing band.

[blazeofglory]

[QUOTE=Apathy;787671]

I cannot say I truly care about their positive thoughts about me, if I did than I would not post controversial or disagreeable things, and only go along with whatever anyone else says and agree with them.

I do not post just to try to gain approval or for the sake of seeking positive feedback, but more out of simple curiosity to see what others will say, but that is not quite the same as caring about what they say, at least not in a personal way. I am intellectually interested in the thoughts of others. But their thoughts good or bad will not have an affect upon me in my personal life.

If I am in a discussion I generally try not to ignore any comments, positive or negative.[/QUOTE=Dark Muse;787382]

Exactly.

Of course these thoughts give something intellectual gratification, and in fact we must see how we are learning through others' comments. If we are intimidated by the idea that others may criticize and it is better to keep quiet we will never learn anything in life. For if we read what opinions others have about us we can correct ourselves. You cannot see your face, and you have to look at yourself in the mirror. Or others have to say about your face. In the same way until and unless others say something about you or point out your mistakes you can hardly learn. And this is how a poet can refine the art of versification. It is the liking of the reader a poem is good or bad. Today almost all novels are reader-centric or books are written mostly taking into consideration of the interests of the reader.