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    Quote Originally Posted by Manchegan View Post
    I think the hatred for smoking is the only thing saving it. People smoke because it's cool. It wouldn't be cool if it were universally accepted. Smokers thrive on your hatred of them. They also have mommy issues...all of them. Every last one.
    Haha, very random... MOMMY! where is my mommy?

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    It's not really a big deal whether a person smokes or not. It's his choice after all, if he wants to look cool at the expense of his health. However, I am greatly bothered by people who smoke around others. It seems like they don't give a damn care at all to people around them. Studies show that secondhand smoke is deadlier so poor us non-smokers who get affected. I guess, it's more of a question of having consideration towards the immediate surroundings. Like, if you see a kid nearby, you should at all cost refrain from smoking. Or better yet, so as not to impede your smoking habits, go to a smoking area.
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    I have gotten the impression that the people who are significantly opposed to smoking do not know what tobacco, especially nicotine, does. Coolth has nothing to do with wh people smoke. Most people smoke because nicotine has a pleasant effect. Nicotine is a powerful anti-depressant and euphoriant, but it is not appreciated by all people. Generally, the people who enjoy smoking the most are most affected by nicotine. and their bides metabolize nicotine, so they want more; thus the addiction. Most people who do not become addicted to nicotine are not affected by it, but there are some who enjoy it and do not become addicted. The physically damaging effects of nicotine are minor for most people, and people who metabolize it quickly usually repair the damage from smoking, which is why one a small percentage of long term smokers have major health effects. Conversely, the people who do not become addicted do not repair the damage from smoking as quickly, and the damage can be cumulative, so the non-addicts are more likely to have major health effects.

    When discussing nicotine, one should keep in mind that it acts strongly in the brain. Addiction to nicotine is related closely with its effect as a neuro-transmitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL View Post
    Coolth has nothing to do with wh people smoke. Most people smoke because nicotine has a pleasant effect.
    But then one must wonder what the contributing factors were that inspired Suzy Smoker to pick up cigarettes (and for that matter, stick to them since I don’t imagine that the first few attempts would be the smoothest most natural-feeling means to nirvana) to begin with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL View Post
    I have gotten the impression that the people who are significantly opposed to smoking do not know what tobacco, especially nicotine, does. Coolth has nothing to do with wh people smoke. Most people smoke because nicotine has a pleasant effect. Nicotine is a powerful anti-depressant and euphoriant, but it is not appreciated by all people. Generally, the people who enjoy smoking the most are most affected by nicotine. and their bides metabolize nicotine, so they want more; thus the addiction. Most people who do not become addicted to nicotine are not affected by it, but there are some who enjoy it and do not become addicted. The physically damaging effects of nicotine are minor for most people, and people who metabolize it quickly usually repair the damage from smoking, which is why one a small percentage of long term smokers have major health effects. Conversely, the people who do not become addicted do not repair the damage from smoking as quickly, and the damage can be cumulative, so the non-addicts are more likely to have major health effects.

    When discussing nicotine, one should keep in mind that it acts strongly in the brain. Addiction to nicotine is related closely with its effect as a neuro-transmitter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madame X View Post
    But then one must wonder what the contributing factors were that inspired Suzy Smoker to pick up cigarettes (and for that matter, stick to them since I don’t imagine that the first few attempts would be the smoothest most natural-feeling means to nirvana) to begin with.
    The general press has never had a really good piece about nicotine. It is one of the most powerful drugs known, but the effects are "slam you over the head with pleasure" as it is with some drugs. Suzy Smoker felt the effects before she ever took a drag, and it felt better then wonderful. Many people feel dizzy from cigarettes at first, but that is not the effect of nicotine; it is the body's reaction to a powerful drug. If the beginning smoker took just the tiniest drag at first, that would be effective, and that would prevent the dizziness that many peopple experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL View Post
    The general press has never had a really good piece about nicotine. It is one of the most powerful drugs known, but the effects are "slam you over the head with pleasure" as it is with some drugs. Suzy Smoker felt the effects before she ever took a drag, and it felt better then wonderful. Many people feel dizzy from cigarettes at first, but that is not the effect of nicotine; it is the body's reaction to a powerful drug. If the beginning smoker took just the tiniest drag at first, that would be effective, and that would prevent the dizziness that many peopple experience.

    If Suzy Smoker smoked pot before, then I wouldn't expect coughing or dizziness when she tried a cigarette.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickAdams View Post
    If Suzy Smoker smoked pot before, then I wouldn't expect coughing or dizziness when she tried a cigarette.
    Yes, she would almost certainly not cough and she might not get dizzy.

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    No, I smoked pot before I started smoking cigarettes and didn't cough but I definitely got light headed and very dizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL View Post
    Most people smoke because nicotine has a pleasant effect. Nicotine is a powerful anti-depressant and euphoriant......
    This is a very important point!

    As a smoker; I must admit that anti-depressant/euphoriant is the major reason I continue to smoke in spite of the fact that I KNOW risks of the dangerous side-effects. I feel certain that, while going through many of the rough patches of my life I may well have become a homicidal maniac were it not for the calming effects of cigarettes.

    Rather than standing idle and counting to ten when trying to control one's temper; sometimes the time it takes to fish out your pack, find your lighter and light up (not to mention the flood of nicotine to the pleasure-centers of the brain) means the difference between being able to laugh it off and getting into a bar brawl.

    I will not deny that I am addicted. (half a pack a day)
    I will not deny that I have "mommy issues" (though I doubt that they are related to my smoking)
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    Hi all, just thought I would say something about the issue of smoking. I have family and know numerous elder generation. (In the 70's bracket) That were actually prescribed smoking as a fight against childhood diseases in the early forties. Sounds silly I know, however the elderly gentleman I was speaking to recently said that he was forced to start smoking (by a doctor) as an eight year old, to not contract Chicken Pox and The Measles. Sixty years later he is still smoking. Doesn't have lung cancer and get this - has never had the Chicken Pox or the Measles. Was that doctor right or is it luck of the draw? Not sure. I don't smoke and never have, and I have had all the childhood diseases. Is it just coincidence, maybe? Or not...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maryd. View Post
    Hi all, just thought I would say something about the issue of smoking. I have family and know numerous elder generation. (In the 70's bracket) That were actually prescribed smoking as a fight against childhood diseases in the early forties. Sounds silly I know, however the elderly gentleman I was speaking to recently said that he was forced to start smoking (by a doctor) as an eight year old, to not contract Chicken Pox and The Measles. Sixty years later he is still smoking. Doesn't have lung cancer and get this - has never had the Chicken Pox or the Measles. Was that doctor right or is it luck of the draw? Not sure. I don't smoke and never have, and I have had all the childhood diseases. Is it just coincidence, maybe? Or not...
    I hadn't heard about Chicken Pox and Measles, but smoking stops the development of Tuberculosis at the beginning.

    Nicotine has also been shown to stop the onset or development of Alzheimer's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterL View Post
    I hadn't heard about Chicken Pox and Measles, but smoking stops the development of Tuberculosis at the beginning.

    Nicotine has also been shown to stop the onset or development of Alzheimer's.
    To be totally honest with you Peter, I don't know if it really does stop any childhood illnesses. All I know is what these elderly people are quoting. I just thought it was quite a coincidence that the fellow I spoke of was forced to smoke to help prevent the above said diseases and it worked. Very weird to say the least. But true too - well for him anyway. (This gentleman lived in Cyprus at the time)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maryd. View Post
    To be totally honest with you Peter, I don't know if it really does stop any childhood illnesses. All I know is what these elderly people are quoting. I just thought it was quite a coincidence that the fellow I spoke of was forced to smoke to help prevent the above said diseases and it worked. Very weird to say the least. But true too - well for him anyway. (This gentleman lived in Cyprus at the time)
    I understand. I just looked it up and found nothing to support it, but there is information to counter what was a common prescription 150 years ago; i.e., smoke cigars to avoid getting TB.

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    i'm sure george carlin would've had something funny tosay to end this.

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