What Would Happen If It Were Only Eve?

[Maximilianus]

Well, since the punishment did not seem to relate to the deed, it might not necessarily be anything like death by inches or castration, but perhaps dwelling in the pit of a latrine ditch.

~L

That sounds good. A smelly punishment for a lifetime.

[Beautifull]

Supposing this was actually a form of punishment, I believe it's too much for just biting an apple. What kind of pain should a rapist and serial killer be punished with?

I think she got her just reward...she should have listened to Adam in the first place. I don't think a rapist and serial killershould be punished with a kind of pain, I think they should die and live in hell for eternity for the pain and deaths they made people feel.

[weltanschauung]

7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye

[Beautifull]

7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye

Is this in Genesis?

[Maximilianus]

7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye

Meant for someone in particular?

[weltanschauung]

matthew chapter 7

why not.

[Beautifull]

ah. okay.

but to those who think it's a big deal about the forbidden fruit, i think it wasn't just the fruit. it could have been a flower, the point was God said don't eat it.And they did. I still think it was Eve's fault. Adam was guilty, one b/c God told him, but mostly, he was guiltyt of listening to his wife.

I think that happens a lot nowadays too. a man listens to his "woman" and there's consequences.

I think if Eve were the only one to eat it, Eve and the serpent would be cursed, punished, any way you want to say, and the two humans would have stayed in the garden.

[JuniperWoolf]

Adam was guilty, one b/c God told him, but mostly, he was guiltyt of listening to his wife.

I think that happens a lot nowadays too. a man listens to his "woman" and there's consequences.

Wow. I just threw up in my mouth a little.

If you're me, then you think that this story was written by misogynist (mortal) men with the intent of not only causing other men to distrust women, but also to give men the divine right to control and "discipline" their wives/daughters. Before Christianity, many religions considered women healers and prophets. Women were the ones with the greatest connection to the earth, which was what they worshipped. What better way to destroy a religion than to strip its highest authority (ie. women) of power and respect? Sick, power hungry men were afraid that women would prevent their spread of power, so their myth of creation dumped all of man's suffering on the mother of all.

My proof = witch burnings. No explination needed.

I also hate how they demonized snakes. Religions that I like revere snakes as wise.

[weltanschauung]

if you check that chevalier dictionary of symbols, you will find slightly comical how most animals are seen as the devil in the cristian symbology, like owls, frogs, snakes, moths, etc etc.
basically, women and everything that isnt man are puppets of satan.

not to mention that the moon, the sun, and nature in general are also demoniac.

[Maximilianus]

Wow. I just threw up in my mouth a little.

If you're me, then you think that this story was written by misogynist (mortal) men with the intent of not only causing other men to distrust women, but also to give men the divine right to control and "discipline" their wives/daughters. Before Christianity, many religions considered women healers and prophets. Women were the ones with the greatest connection to the earth, which was what they worshipped. What better way to destroy a religion than to strip its highest authority of power and respect? Sick, power hungry men were afraid that women would prevent their spread of power, so their myth of creation dumped all of man's suffering on the mother of all.

My proof = witch burnings. No explination needed.

I also hate how they demonized snakes. Religions that I like revere snakes as wise.

As a matter of fact, the Celts were a society where women were as important as men (or even more sometimes). They believed that functions like poetry, art, even economics and even war were feminine functions.
If I have to trust someone I pick to trust a woman. I've seen they are more dependable than most men I know, with some exceptions of course, but I feel it's a general rule.

if you check that chevalier dictionary of symbols, you will find slightly comical how most animals are seen as the devil in the cristian symbology, like owls, frogs, snakes, moths, etc etc.
basically, women and everything that isnt man are puppets of satan.

That text is utterly wrong!!
I have seen in my not-so-short life how women have become the source of all good things we know. Oftentimes a new war is started... by a group of men. Can anyone think of better puppets of Satan?

not to mention that the moon, the sun, and nature in general are also demoniac.

I often stare at the moon, sit in the sun, and contemplate nature. I'll keep doing it, no matter what certain texts may try to convince me of
For as long as there's a moon, a sun and nature, I will be with them until the end.

[weltanschauung]

I often stare at the moon, sit in the sun, and contemplate nature. I'll keep doing it, no matter what certain texts may try to convince me of
For as long as there's a moon, a sun and nature, I will be with them until the end.

you spawn of satan, you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UPXGun5zI

[Maximilianus]

you spawn of satan, you! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8UPXGun5zI

The youngest of the girls, poor lil one with that... thing... for a mother. She didn't even seem to understand a bit of what was going on. Fanatics are so sick they need a euthanasia.... and she finally took Satan's money ... what an ardent believer until the bucks awake some temptation

[beroq]

Not in all Revelations is it related that it was Eve who tempted Adam to eat the forbidden fruit (apple or wheat). In Christian tradition, Eve is the one who is responsible for the fall of man. According to the Islamic tradition, however, they both decided to try what was forbidden providentially. This is an interesting difference between these two genuine Traditions.

They were sent down to the state of contingencies not because they ate something beautiful, but because they decided for themselves what is evil and what is good. To decide between these two neccessitates a world of possibilities and free will.

Maybe it was not meant as a punishment but as a sign of a deep Divine trust in human kind's nobleness to be able seperate between the good and the evil.

[weltanschauung]

ironically, the social difference between a christian female and a muslim one is indeed inversely proportional to their supposed guilt veredict in the genesis.

frankly, i dont see whats so frigging evil about eating an apple and then sharing it.
it actually makes no sense that this big person god all religions talk about would put a fridge in paradise and then go 'but dont open it or else'...
i have a lot of trouble in considering this prankster god as the maker of our reality and considering his acts as koans of wisdom. he seems more like a silly younger brother who suffers from periodic fits. and then goes to his older brother's room and breaks stuff.

[Beautifull]

Wow. I just threw up in my mouth a little.

If you're me, then you think that this story was written by misogynist (mortal) men with the intent of not only causing other men to distrust women, but also to give men the divine right to control and "discipline" their wives/daughters. Before Christianity, many religions considered women healers and prophets. Women were the ones with the greatest connection to the earth, which was what they worshipped. What better way to destroy a religion than to strip its highest authority (ie. women) of power and respect? Sick, power hungry men were afraid that women would prevent their spread of power, so their myth of creation dumped all of man's suffering on the mother of all.

My proof = witch burnings. No explination needed.

okay, i see your point juniper, but i said it happens, but i didn't mean everyone. i mean those miserable men in loveless marriages who try to shut their wife up, or those lovestruck men trying to bring the moon and the stars to his wife, even if it's wrong. do you see my point?

basically, women and everything that isnt man are puppets of satan.

seriously, are you stating your point, or just stating infoyouhave heard?