Twilight

[Beautifull]

It is naive to think that overtly talking about sex is the only way something can be sexual. In fact most of the time it is the opposite.

sorry...i'm not getting it...explain it a little clearly

[Zee.]

I think Dark Lady is making the point that the books before Breaking Dawn were filled with a very high level of sexual tension. It got to the point where the author seemed to be subconsciously writing about sex in almost every part of that series.
Breaking Dawn - yeah, they had sex, but it wasn't like the demonstration of passion and lust, depicted in her previous novels. The whole " I want you but i can't yet have you " build up is remarkably stronger than the actual act of sex itself, especially in her novels.

[*Classic*Charm*]

Characters having sex is not necessarily sensual. In fact it is just plain annoying in Breaking Dawn. All of the sexual tension built up in the other novels is ruined by them actually having sex (although it was starting to get a bit old before then anyway). It is naive to think that overtly talking about sex is the only way something can be sexual. In fact most of the time it is the opposite.

AGREED. That's what ruined the Breaking Dawn. The sensuality because physical contact was painful for Edward was partially what made the first couple interesting. It was ruined when they actually had sex. Gaudy almost. The author just let her story and her characters get away from her. I was disappointed.

I think Dark Lady is making the point that the books before Breaking Dawn were filled with a very high level of sexual tension. It got to the point where the author seemed to be subconsciously writing about sex in almost every part of that series.
Breaking Dawn - yeah, they had sex, but it wasn't like the demonstration of passion and lust, depicted in her previous novels. The whole " I want you but i can't yet have you " build up is remarkably stronger than the actual act of sex itself, especially in her novels.

Exactly.

[Dark Lady]

I think Dark Lady is making the point that the books before Breaking Dawn were filled with a very high level of sexual tension. It got to the point where the author seemed to be subconsciously writing about sex in almost every part of that series.
Breaking Dawn - yeah, they had sex, but it wasn't like the demonstration of passion and lust, depicted in her previous novels. The whole " I want you but i can't yet have you " build up is remarkably stronger than the actual act of sex itself, especially in her novels.

Yes. This is the point I was making.

I said in an earlier post that I think Twilight is basically a soft core porn for girls. I said that I thought girls would respond more to this than an equevilant 'lads' mag' type thing (a magazine full of naked men) because girls tend to experience sexual enjoyment in a different way (as I said before I am generalising and I apologise for any offence caused). It is more of a psychological thing than a visual thing. More subtle.

I hope this is not getting too off-topic but I have a friend who tells me that she watches porn but what she likes is the build - the foreplay - before the actual 'action'. Once it gets to actual sex she is turned off. I think this is very common in women and explains a lot.

[I'm wary of saying too much on this thread because of the age-group likely to read a discussion about Twilight. Please, anyone who thinks I go too far tell me and I will edit my post accordingly.]

I have heard discussions about 'fantasies' before. Typical scenario is a couple talking about their sexual fantasies in order to recreate them for each other. The man will typically have a fantasy along the lines of 'I'm having sex with a nurse/secretary/Catwoman' etc. The woman will have something much more elaborate that involves some sort of story-line. The sexual act is important but it is the end of the story - for men it is the story.

So, when it comes to books and sexual tension the excitement is in the build, the before. The first three Twilight books are extremely highly sexually charged. The fourth one is not because there is no tension any more, no build.

Hope that helped explain what I meant?

[kelby_lake]

It's creepy! He's 108- and dead! Why is she not totally creeped out by that?!

[Zee.]

Yes. This is the point I was making.

I said in an earlier post that I think Twilight is basically a soft core porn for girls. I said that I thought girls would respond more to this than an equevilant 'lads' mag' type thing (a magazine full of naked men) because girls tend to experience sexual enjoyment in a different way (as I said before I am generalising and I apologise for any offence caused). It is more of a psychological thing than a visual thing. More subtle.

I hope this is not getting too off-topic but I have a friend who tells me that she watches porn but what she likes is the build - the foreplay - before the actual 'action'. Once it gets to actual sex she is turned off. I think this is very common in women and explains a lot.

[I'm wary of saying too much on this thread because of the age-group likely to read a discussion about Twilight. Please, anyone who thinks I go too far tell me and I will edit my post accordingly.]

I have heard discussions about 'fantasies' before. Typical scenario is a couple talking about their sexual fantasies in order to recreate them for each other. The man will typically have a fantasy along the lines of 'I'm having sex with a nurse/secretary/Catwoman' etc. The woman will have something much more elaborate that involves some sort of story-line. The sexual act is important but it is the end of the story - for men it is the story.

So, when it comes to books and sexual tension the excitement is in the build, the before. The first three Twilight books are extremely highly sexually charged. The fourth one is not because there is no tension any more, no build.

Hope that helped explain what I meant?

This is exactly like the point I made earlier where i made reference to your post of which I agree completely about. I want to tread carefully here but .. the whole, "dominance" factor plays a very large roll in the Twilight series. And rings true, i'm sure, of many female sexual fantasies.

I also think that many girls, the younger ones of course, are unaware of what they're reading. I mean to say, going back to my point about Meyer subconsciously writing about sex, I think that a lot of girls read the series and are a little unsure of why they are attracted to the novels. The romance factor, sure, the entertainment value of the story line, sure, and although i'm not suggesting that the book is just about sex/sexual fantasies etc, I think the author really tapped in to that whole concept. Therefore, I think that many girls are attracted to the series because of the sexual tension it holds - whether they are aware of it or not.

[*Classic*Charm*]

This is exactly like the point I made earlier where i made reference to your post of which I agree completely about. I want to tread carefully here but .. the whole, "dominance" factor plays a very large roll in the Twilight series. And rings true, i'm sure, of many female sexual fantasies.

I also think that many girls, the younger ones of course, are unaware of what they're reading. I mean to say, going back to my point about Meyer subconsciously writing about sex, I think that a lot of girls read the series and are a little unsure of why they are attracted to the novels. The romance factor, sure, the entertainment value of the story line, sure, and although i'm not suggesting that the book is just about sex/sexual fantasies etc, I think the author really tapped in to that whole concept. Therefore, I think that many girls are attracted to the series because of the sexual tension it holds - whether they are aware of it or not.

So we're all agreeing here that the books are extremely sexually-charged, the actual act of sex in the fourth book is anti-climactic, readers like the romance, sexual tension, perhaps the physical dominance factor.

What are we arguing about again?

It's creepy! He's 108- and dead! Why is she not totally creeped out by that?!

He's not dead though. I mean, he's not alive either, but he's not dead. And he's not 108. He's seventeen. He's just been that way for a long time.

My question is...how did Edward get Bella pregnant if he has no *cough* bodily fluids?

[Joreads]

My question is...how did Edward get Bella pregnant if he has no *cough* bodily fluids?

This is not the first time that this has happend Angel anyone (if anyone needs that explained PM me and I will I). There is some literature that states that vampires have some fluid tears for example and of course what you need to make a baby. The vampire lore states that two vampires can not have children it does mention vampire/human couples. Maybe this is a play on that Charm I am not sure.

[Beautifull]

[Zee.]

Pretty sure vampires aren't meant to reproduce

[Beautifull]

yeah...bella proved that with her pregnancy hardships!

[*Classic*Charm*]

Pretty sure vampires aren't meant to reproduce

Hear hear. The baby ruined the series for me haha

[Beautifull]

yeah it ruined it for me too... i didn't know what to expect in the last book, but it wasn't the baby! come on! Bella was only a eighteen-year-old planning her life. she was gonna go to college! for the sake of mankind! what the ....

[Joreads]

Hear hear. The baby ruined the series for me haha

I have to say that I agrere with that it was a poor choice to make.

[kelby_lake]

So we're all agreeing here that the books are extremely sexually-charged, the actual act of sex in the fourth book is anti-climactic, readers like the romance, sexual tension, perhaps the physical dominance factor.

What are we arguing about again?



He's not dead though. I mean, he's not alive either, but he's not dead. And he's not 108. He's seventeen. He's just been that way for a long time.

My question is...how did Edward get Bella pregnant if he has no *cough* bodily fluids?

He's still lived far longer than her! And Eddie has this super all-purpose venom. Cross-breeding is still creepy though.